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Old 30th March 2024, 00:56   #16
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Re: Another incident of car vandalism by autorickshaw drivers in Bangalore

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As seen in this acknowledgement from the police this is categorized as non-cognizable. This means that the police need not take any action. From the description OP has been harassed and there is property damage. So this has to be a cognizable offence. Only for cognizable offences police open FIR. I learnt this pretty recently. We should improve our awareness of the law and why and how police function to better adjust our expectations from them. Police also deal only with criminal and not on civil complaints. Lawyers on this forum can clarify.

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We shifted to Bengaluru (Bangalore, as it was known then), in 1992. Even in those days, we were told that its a must to know the language before you shift. As a schoolchild, I remember going to the local railway station and buying a book, "Learn Kannada in 30 days." A brilliant series for all languages that would teach you to read, write and even speak. We went to a kannadiga lady in the neighbourhood with the book and learnt the language (passable enough to understand movies, engage in basic conversation and read signboards and bus routes).

We came to Bangalore and we started using the buses. We had to change 3 buses to reach school. I was pleasantly surprised to see that it was nothing that we were warned against, buses/ Roads/ landmarks had English, Hindi and Kannada boards. Everyone spoke at least three languages and communication was the least of anybody's problems. Then came the winds of change (still in the early-mid 90s). We were still at school when we saw people's vehicles/ shops being tarred. Buses started having only Kannada Boards. Worse, As it was out of syllabus for me, was that Kannada numerals started being used (as it turned out, many locals also did not understand the kannada numerals). Having fanned public frenzy, a few of these groups became famous.

Auto rickshaw drivers were polite and courteous. There were not too many who would be out to make a fast buck. My cousins from Chennai would be flabbergasted at seeing polite auto drivers

Over a period of time, I moved out of the city and started becoming a visitor. These days, when I visit my parents, I do not recognise the cultural change that has afflicted the auto drivers. The seem to be (excuse my description) louts first and foremost. While I still speak broken Kannada, I can understand it perfectly well. What gets my goat is when the person in authority or on the wrong side of the law tells me to speak in Kannada first to even merit a response. Any form I need to fill up is in Kannada. I can still read fluently but why should it even be a criteria? why have these egos come up? Mind you, lest I be accused of targeting only Bengaluru, the situation is exactly the same in Mumbai (that I personally know of). Is it an outpouring of the pent-up frustration against disparity in society? A haves vs the have-nots?

When you have people in this forum, the educated and elite, justifying that learning the language is necessary / a pre-requisite to avoid such conflicts, I am forced to ponder - Why? What are we coming to?

Our movies, popular sub-culture all glorify the violent underdog. Violence is back to being seen as macho and cool sense as pusillanimity. Movies these days have goons with long unkempt hair brandishing swords and machetes. I am not stereotyping, but these are all seeping into the populace. A true man of war would be the first guy to abhor violence and advocate peace. It is only the emptyheads who glorify or are inspired by violence. (Note- I am not getting into political ideas like ahimsa etc, this is contemplation at a more personal level).

Road rage or otherwise, can (and should) never be justified. There is no justification, period!

Sorry for the rant, would like to hear others views, if any, on this.
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We shifted to Bengaluru (Bangalore, as it was known then), in 1992. Even in those days, we were told that its a must to know the language before you shift. As a schoolchild, I remember going to the local railway station and buying a book, "Learn Kannada in 30 days." A brilliant series for all languages that would teach you to read, write and even speak.

Road rage or otherwise, can (and should) never be justified. There is no justification, period!

Sorry for the rant, would like to hear others views, if any, on this.
Anyone travelling to North of India makes an effort to communicate in Hindi, as that is the local language. The advantage is that many states share a common language, whereas down south each state has its own, making it incumbent on the state to promote its language. The problem is that there are always folks who take this 'promotion' into their own hands, and they are the ones most visible and getting coverage- albeit for the wrong reasons.

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When you have people in this forum, the educated and elite, justifying that learning the language is necessary / a pre-requisite to avoid such conflicts, I am forced to ponder - Why? What are we coming to?
The motivation of the thugs is simple enough, they just want a reason to prey on soft targets. It is unfortunate that several political outfits give them backing.

The motivations of the 'educated' folk in promoting this division based on language is different. It's a way of proclaiming superiority by claiming belonging to one particular group, whether it is "<x language> speakers", "old <city name> dwellers", "natives to <y state>", "z locality residents". The root of that is simple insecurity.

The problem is once you start dividing like that, we don't realize that some arbit dividing line can be drawn...where we will all be on the "wrong" side! How do you differentiate between someone who was born in a particular city and has spent their whole life there, but is not "native" to that state, over someone who has parents who are defined as "natives", but stays in a different part of the state? Who has more rights? It's a very slippery slope.

The only logical thing is to recognize that everyone has the right to move anywhere in the country and language is a means to unite, rather than divide.

It's a very simple test. If someone really claims to love the language and wants to propagate it, they will try and help other people learn the language. There are several helpful groups in Bangalore who are conducting classes for people who want to learn conversant Kannada. Those people really have pride in the language and the state. The rest just want to pick fights and divide, in the safety of a mob.

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When you have people in this forum, the educated and elite, justifying that learning the language is necessary / a pre-requisite to avoid such conflicts, I am forced to ponder - Why? What are we coming to?

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Road rage or otherwise, can (and should) never be justified. There is no justification, period!

Sorry for the rant, would like to hear others views, if any, on this.
Institutional incompetence, infrastructural deficiency and cultural prejudice are bigger problems and outside a common man's complete control. I see there is an obvious practical advantage in learning the local language, atleast to some extent to give an impression that I have made an effort to assimilate myself, to salvage myself when faced with an unjustifiable act like road rage.

As the wise saying goes, 'It is easier to put on slippers than to carpet the whole world'.
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We shifted to Bengaluru (Bangalore, as it was known then), in 1992. Even in those days, we were told that its a must to know the language before you shift. As a schoolchild, I remember going to the local railway station and buying a book, "Learn Kannada in 30 days." A brilliant series for all languages that would teach you to read, write and even speak. We went to a kannadiga lady in the neighbourhood with the book and learnt the language (passable enough to understand movies, engage in basic conversation and read signboards and bus routes).
All fair arguments. People who want to take undue advantage will always use some excuse. We have so many in our country to pick from

I am not sure about Kannada only bus boards nor applications. In Banks I have seen Hindi and English which is kind of affront to our diversity and assumption about literacy. In Bengaluru and slowly in other parts of Karnataka, you have to talk in Hindi in barber shops, hotels, private public services etc. Maybe there is a pent up frustration from all of these.

There is also lack of respect from migrants for anything local and gets amplified and hyped when it comes to Bengaluru. As if there is no road rage, vandalism, murder for road rage etc in other parts of India. We are all Indians and have right to live the way we want anywhere in the country. But places, opportunities and resources do belong to or created by people at particular places. No one is doing a favour to anyone which some people think they are, economically.

Bengaluru has accepted and even assimilated to outside things and reverse was also true. Both sides have become little belligerent from decade or so. Its become very easy for migrants to come and not adjust at all even a wee bit and live happily.
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