Public apathy kills 25 yr old Kolkata biker. EDIT: A bill GOI introduced in RS Nov'06

Ram · 13th September 2007, 08:30

A 25 year old kid on a bike had an accident which proved fatal because of public apathy.

This kid called Bijoy Dey was on his way to work in the infotech zone at Salt Lake, Kolkata on a motorcycle when he had to brake hard. The rear-wheel skidded and the bike toppled onto him skidding towards the centre of the road.

A bus in Kolkata's rush-hour traffic ran over his legs.

Some half-caring individual phoned 100 to inform, "There has been an accident near Nicco Park. The victim is lying on the road". And then went about his business.

The unfortunate kid lay there alive and bleeding for half an hour while civilization went by, too busy to help.

Eventually he died of blood-loss.

Bijoy was a software engineer with Price-Waterhouse, Kolkata, enroute to work.

God rest his soul and comfort his folks.

The news item in today's TOI.

diabloo · 13th September 2007, 08:41

In Patna, the VHP protests led to several traffic jams across the city, disrupting normal life. Emergency services were also affected.

A pregnant woman who was on her way to hospital for her delivery, found her route blocked by a traffic jam, and was eventually forced to deliver her baby on a street.

VHP roadblock forced mother to deliver on street

akroy · 13th September 2007, 08:51

Its pathetic to see, Unfortunately this is not the Kolkata we know of (atleast I know off)..Since this happend in the IT hub, there was no so called IT people to help him out...This is very very unfortunate...

Had this thing happened in proper Kolkata, he would have been taken care off but locals and the non-IT people...THat is what kolkata is known of for their helping nature..

Abhi

Surprise · 13th September 2007, 11:09

That's very sad.

Problem with such cases is individual's cannot take it single handed or even with help of an extra person as the legs were crushed and bleeding profusely.

It requires atleast 3-4 like minded persons to transfer him to a hospital. A person willing to help will look for some helping hands to join with & will give up when no one else is turning up. That's a big problem.

30 dying mins without help.... Very very sad

esteem_lover · 13th September 2007, 11:14

Pathetic. Just shows how much we value our lives. Very very sad. What were the bus people doing ?

BlackPearl · 13th September 2007, 11:22

One of our colleagues saw this guy lying in the middle of the street and went to the nearby police chowki to get help. But the policemen there told him that they have already informed somebody and cannot do anything else - If he wants to take it into his own hands he can very well go ahead and do so. This guy came to the office and broke down saying that he could not do anything and started vommitting while telling us what he had seen. Something has to be done to the police officers for negligence of duty because it is very hard for any individual to take matters into his/her hands.

planet_rocker · 13th September 2007, 11:38

the guy used to sit in the same wing as razor4077. may his soul rest in peace.

he had the helmet on, but NOT STRAPPED (source ABP) - so he might have injured his head/neck as well.

this is not the first time that a person died at an accident spot because of pulic apathy. a few weeks ago a school boy died (fell from the bus and was runover by the rear wheels) and his elder brother held him right at the spot - waiting for someone to help - but in vain. it happened near PNB, Saltlake Sector 1.

the news was very sad indeed especially when i think of the people who refused to stop and help. what was more disturbing was the local newspaper (ABP) quoting the incident as - the vehicles passed the accident spot slowly (without stopping) as if one avoids a dead animal on the road.

i am sorry but i am a bit depressed about the whole incident.

@ BP - the cops were in charge of the Patrol car of a VIP - @*&#^#%@*#

shuvd · 13th September 2007, 11:44

Very sad and revolting incident. Then again, can we really blame the public for their apathy? About 5 years ago, a friend of mine took a hit an run victim to a hospital in his Zen. First, the hospital staff refused to even touch the victim till the cops were informed. When the cops eventually arrived after 2 hours they promptly arrested my friend! They claimed that he was the offender. He was in the lock up for a day. We paid off the local police station and got him released. No one spoke in his defense, not even the victim's family. I'm not saying that we should not help hit and run victims. But guys, I think its best to inform the cops/authorities.
On another note, the cops in Salt Lake are more interested in bribes and registering false offenses than actual policing. I'm speaking from experience.

lurker · 13th September 2007, 11:58

Quote:

First, the hospital staff refused to even touch the victim till the cops were informed. When the cops eventually arrived after 2 hours they promptly arrested my friend! They claimed that he was the offender. He was in the lock up for a day. We paid off the local police station and got him released. No one spoke in his defense, not even the victim's family. I'm not saying that we should not help hit and run victims. But guys, I think its best to inform the cops/authorities.

Our first duty is to our conscience. We must always help a person in need in the case of a accident, whatever be the consequences of our act.

A noble act will never go unrewarded, the setbacks to us if any are only short-term.

ad75 · 13th September 2007, 12:23

horrible incident, i must say

this might me the case everywhere in india.people are too busy to help someone who is in trouble.our legal & medical system is also the reason for public apathy.

Rtech · 13th September 2007, 12:29

Horrible to say the least to think that the poor guy was just laying there in the middle of a busy street slowly dying while the world just went about its business. What have we become? Even wild animals rally around one of their injured trying to save it. And we call ourselves civilised.

All it takes is one person to begin to help, and in no time you will find others coming to help as well. But everyone is afraid to be that first person.

Surprise · 13th September 2007, 12:33

Let us assume that you offer to take the victim to hospital in your car & the people around, help to place the vicitim in the car.

What would be your reaction, if none of the souls around accepts to get into your car to give u moral support?

If you say that you won't move until someone accompany you, remember everyone around will put pressure on you to get into action quickly. So you become responsible for the victim's life

Your'e prepared to do it all alone & rushing through the hospital. Imagine how do we feel, if there is a big traffic jam ahead. You get pass through the traffic jam & reached the hospital.

What would you do, if the vicitim was dead by that time? Remember most private hospitals will not entertain u, if the victim was brought dead.

In that case, you need to get the body to a Govt. hospital & all of us know, what would be the treatment we get. And you are supposed to be in the hospital till the police arrives and complete the First level investigation.

What happens if the relatives of the victim gather there in front of the hospital and suspects you. You have no one around to tell the truth. How do you manage such situation

diabloo · 13th September 2007, 12:35

It is required by law. If you don't help accident victims, you will be punished.

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Originally Posted by lurker

Our first duty is to our conscience. We must always help a person in need in the case of a accident, whatever be the consequences of our act.

A noble act will never go unrewarded, the setbacks to us if any are only short-term.

The duty of the driver of the vehicle involved in an accident?

· The driver or the owner of a vehicle involved in any accident that has caused injury or damage to any person is required to secure medical aid for the injured person, by taking him to the nearest doctor.

· He shall report the matter to the nearest police station within 24 hours, and

· Also inform the insurance company about the occurrence of the accident, namely, insurance policy number and period of its validity; date, times and place of accident; particulars of the persons injured and / or killed in the accident’ and name of the driver and particulars of his driving licence.

Is the duty of the driver mandated by any law?

Yes, Section 134 of the Motor Vehicles (MV) Act, 1988 states that the driver and / or the owner of the motor vehicle responsible for a road accident is required to take all reasonable steps to secure medical attention for the injured person by conveying him to the nearest medical practitioner or hospital, unless it is not practicable to do so on account of mob fury or any other reason beyond his control.

Is failure to comply with this action punishable?

Yes. Under Section 187 of MV Act 1988, whoever fails to comply with the provisions of the clauses of Section 134, shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 3 months, or with fine which may extend to Rs. 500, or with both. If it is the second time for the person concerned, then the penalty is harsher. The imprisonment may extend to 6 months, or with fine, which may extend to Rs.1000, or with both.

Can a doctor/ hospital refuse medical care to emergency cases?

Every doctor whether at a Government hospital or otherwise has the professional obligation to extend his services with due expertise for protecting life. No law or State action can intervene to avoid / delay the discharge of the paramount obligation cast upon members of the medical profession. The obligation being total, absolute and paramount, laws of procedure whether in statutes or otherwise which would interfere with the discharge of this obligation cannot be sustained and must, therefore, give way”.

[Para 8]

Should the doctors / hospitals wait for the police to arrive or any legal formalities before attending to a road accident victim?

No. “The treatment of the patient should not wait for the arrival of the police or completion of legal formalities. All hospitals and doctors are required to provide immediate medical aid to all the cases, whether medico-legal or not “.

Department of Road Transport & Highways

Zappo · 13th September 2007, 12:37

I think its all doable provided there is a will to do so. Whenever I see the police apathy in these case only one thing makes me wonder. What does it take to enact a GO that says that the moment a local PS/thana is informed of an incident and it can be corroborated by two unrelated people the onus of any incidence happening thereafter as a spin-off will immediately lie with the thana incharge. If it is proven that it happened because of the late action of the police then they will be prosecuted for manslaughter.

Do this and see what happens. They will run pell-mell with you whenever you go there to inform of an incidence. All the medical help, ambulances everything will materialize out of thin air once the policewala realizes that its his career at stake. And it does not require any big spending or change of constitution of IPC etc... what it just needs is some political conviction, a desire to bring the change and a simple GO (government order).

Surprise · 13th September 2007, 12:42

First 3 questions - Iam sure the driver of the bus disappeared after the accident.

Hospital authorities generally say the following

1. Dr is in a operation and it will take alteast 2 hrs, better try the nearby hospital

2. We don't have such facilities in this hospital, so please try a different one

they do place buch of cotton on where it's bleeding and call it as "FIRST -AID"

13th September 2007, 08:30	#1
Ram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur Posts: 2,166 Thanked: 219 Times View My Garage	Public apathy kills 25 yr old Kolkata biker. EDIT: A bill GOI introduced in RS Nov'06 A 25 year old kid on a bike had an accident which proved fatal because of public apathy. This kid called Bijoy Dey was on his way to work in the infotech zone at Salt Lake, Kolkata on a motorcycle when he had to brake hard. The rear-wheel skidded and the bike toppled onto him skidding towards the centre of the road. A bus in Kolkata's rush-hour traffic ran over his legs. Some half-caring individual phoned 100 to inform, "There has been an accident near Nicco Park. The victim is lying on the road". And then went about his business. The unfortunate kid lay there alive and bleeding for half an hour while civilization went by, too busy to help. Eventually he died of blood-loss. Bijoy was a software engineer with Price-Waterhouse, Kolkata, enroute to work. God rest his soul and comfort his folks. The news item in today's TOI.
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13th September 2007, 08:41	#2
diabloo BANNED Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bengalooru Posts: 1,480 Thanked: 17 Times	In Patna, the VHP protests led to several traffic jams across the city, disrupting normal life. Emergency services were also affected. A pregnant woman who was on her way to hospital for her delivery, found her route blocked by a traffic jam, and was eventually forced to deliver her baby on a street. VHP roadblock forced mother to deliver on street
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13th September 2007, 08:51	#3
akroy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA Posts: 2,423 Thanked: 85 Times View My Garage	Its pathetic to see, Unfortunately this is not the Kolkata we know of (atleast I know off)..Since this happend in the IT hub, there was no so called IT people to help him out...This is very very unfortunate... Had this thing happened in proper Kolkata, he would have been taken care off but locals and the non-IT people...THat is what kolkata is known of for their helping nature.. Abhi
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13th September 2007, 11:09	#4
Surprise Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,523 Thanked: 454 Times	That's very sad. Problem with such cases is individual's cannot take it single handed or even with help of an extra person as the legs were crushed and bleeding profusely. It requires atleast 3-4 like minded persons to transfer him to a hospital. A person willing to help will look for some helping hands to join with & will give up when no one else is turning up. That's a big problem. 30 dying mins without help.... Very very sad
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13th September 2007, 11:14	#5
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	Pathetic. Just shows how much we value our lives. Very very sad. What were the bus people doing ?
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13th September 2007, 11:22	#6
BlackPearl Team-BHP Support Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Calcutta/London Posts: 3,608 Thanked: 16,998 Times View My Garage	One of our colleagues saw this guy lying in the middle of the street and went to the nearby police chowki to get help. But the policemen there told him that they have already informed somebody and cannot do anything else - If he wants to take it into his own hands he can very well go ahead and do so. This guy came to the office and broke down saying that he could not do anything and started vommitting while telling us what he had seen. Something has to be done to the police officers for negligence of duty because it is very hard for any individual to take matters into his/her hands.
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13th September 2007, 11:38	#7
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	the guy used to sit in the same wing as razor4077. may his soul rest in peace. he had the helmet on, but NOT STRAPPED (source ABP) - so he might have injured his head/neck as well. this is not the first time that a person died at an accident spot because of pulic apathy. a few weeks ago a school boy died (fell from the bus and was runover by the rear wheels) and his elder brother held him right at the spot - waiting for someone to help - but in vain. it happened near PNB, Saltlake Sector 1. the news was very sad indeed especially when i think of the people who refused to stop and help. what was more disturbing was the local newspaper (ABP) quoting the incident as - the vehicles passed the accident spot slowly (without stopping) as if one avoids a dead animal on the road. i am sorry but i am a bit depressed about the whole incident. @ BP - the cops were in charge of the Patrol car of a *VIP - @&#^#%@#* Last edited by planet_rocker : 13th September 2007 at 11:44.
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13th September 2007, 11:44	#8
shuvd Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 1,081 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	Very sad and revolting incident. Then again, can we really blame the public for their apathy? About 5 years ago, a friend of mine took a hit an run victim to a hospital in his Zen. First, the hospital staff refused to even touch the victim till the cops were informed. When the cops eventually arrived after 2 hours they promptly arrested my friend! They claimed that he was the offender. He was in the lock up for a day. We paid off the local police station and got him released. No one spoke in his defense, not even the victim's family. I'm not saying that we should not help hit and run victims. But guys, I think its best to inform the cops/authorities. On another note, the cops in Salt Lake are more interested in bribes and registering false offenses than actual policing. I'm speaking from experience.
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13th September 2007, 12:23	#10
ad75 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Noida Posts: 271 Thanked: 25 Times View My Garage	horrible incident, i must say this might me the case everywhere in india.people are too busy to help someone who is in trouble.our legal & medical system is also the reason for public apathy.
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13th September 2007, 12:29	#11
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	Horrible to say the least to think that the poor guy was just laying there in the middle of a busy street slowly dying while the world just went about its business. What have we become? Even wild animals rally around one of their injured trying to save it. And we call ourselves civilised. All it takes is one person to begin to help, and in no time you will find others coming to help as well. But everyone is afraid to be that first person.
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13th September 2007, 12:33	#12
Surprise Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,523 Thanked: 454 Times	Let us assume that you offer to take the victim to hospital in your car & the people around, help to place the vicitim in the car. What would be your reaction, if none of the souls around accepts to get into your car to give u moral support? If you say that you won't move until someone accompany you, remember everyone around will put pressure on you to get into action quickly. So you become responsible for the victim's life Your'e prepared to do it all alone & rushing through the hospital. Imagine how do we feel, if there is a big traffic jam ahead. You get pass through the traffic jam & reached the hospital. What would you do, if the vicitim was dead by that time? Remember most private hospitals will not entertain u, if the victim was brought dead. In that case, you need to get the body to a Govt. hospital & all of us know, what would be the treatment we get. And you are supposed to be in the hospital till the police arrives and complete the First level investigation. What happens if the relatives of the victim gather there in front of the hospital and suspects you. You have no one around to tell the truth. How do you manage such situation Last edited by Surprise : 13th September 2007 at 12:36.
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13th September 2007, 12:37	#14
Zappo Team-BHP Support Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 5,922 Thanked: 2,698 Times	I think its all doable provided there is a will to do so. Whenever I see the police apathy in these case only one thing makes me wonder. What does it take to enact a GO that says that the moment a local PS/thana is informed of an incident and it can be corroborated by two unrelated people the onus of any incidence happening thereafter as a spin-off will immediately lie with the thana incharge. If it is proven that it happened because of the late action of the police then they will be prosecuted for manslaughter. Do this and see what happens. They will run pell-mell with you whenever you go there to inform of an incidence. All the medical help, ambulances everything will materialize out of thin air once the policewala realizes that its his career at stake. And it does not require any big spending or change of constitution of IPC etc... what it just needs is some political conviction, a desire to bring the change and a simple GO (government order).
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13th September 2007, 12:42	#15
Surprise Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,523 Thanked: 454 Times	First 3 questions - Iam sure the driver of the bus disappeared after the accident. Hospital authorities generally say the following 1. Dr is in a operation and it will take alteast 2 hrs, better try the nearby hospital 2. We don't have such facilities in this hospital, so please try a different one they do place buch of cotton on where it's bleeding and call it as "FIRST -AID"
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