Very tragic. Pray the occupants and others, if any, involved in the accident have a speedy recovery.
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Originally Posted by akash_m How the occupants would have come out is still a mystery, that too under water! |
I'm sure a lot of us are interested in knowing that. Were the windows down and did they manage to swim out? Did the occupants or the rescuers manage to open the doors/ power windows underwater and come out? Or did the windows/ doors need to be broken/ ripped to rescue the occupants.
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Originally Posted by prince nearest dealer to my place is mandovi motors.
later i came to know the real reason why test drive was not possiblie |
Hope you will be able to find out from the dealer and update us on what exactly happened - genuine accident due to traffic/ road conditions, driver error, vehicle dynamics or brake/ other vehicle (DZiRE) failure; how the occupants were rescued etc. Definitely the dealer and Maruti owes the vehicle buying public an explanation since a new 'demo car' is involved in the accident.
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Originally Posted by rippergeo I've driven on this particular road hundreds of times. its impossible to crash the car here unless you are a total idiot. there are no pedestrians on this road. quite a few oil tankers are parked here all the time but thats about it. |
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Originally Posted by nbr This road is famous for drag races, its a beautiful strech, |
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Originally Posted by Shan2nu When i test drove the 2ltr CR-V there, i did notice a few trucks suddenly popping out of nowhere. |
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Originally Posted by maddy42 Frankly dude how can you get your car to crash on that road. |
Request our members with an investigative frame of mind to post pictures of the accident site and their comments on the likely events that led to the accident based on an on-the-spot investigation.
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Originally Posted by rippergeo the test driver is usually made to pay in such situations. |
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Originally Posted by mjothi Just curious, who will be held for this. I mean, will the sales person accompanied would be fined or charged anything on this? Because, the showroom guys have no hold on the driver trying to test drive. infact, I have not seen anyone asking even for a DL when you go for TD. |
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Originally Posted by JayD does the customer have to pay for this?? Coz i don't think the customer pays for minor accidents, but since this is a major one, he may have to pay up right?? Can they claim insurance as the car does not seem to be have a proper reg number?? |
Not sure on who pays what percentage among
1. Insurance company (I'm sure the RTO office does not permit these vehicles on-road without insurance or do they?)
2. Car's owner (possibly the Maruti dealer here)
3. Driver
4. Accompanying 'test driver' (if he was not driving the car)
5. Salesman
towards
1. Medical reimbursement
2. Compensation towards temporary/ permanent disability (God forbid) of those involved in the accident
3. Repair & depriciation cost of the vehicle
All of us need to know the answers to these questions before going on our next test drive.
Atleast one dealer in Chennai (not from the Maruti stable) used to take a photocopy of the driving license and an indemnity (is that the right word?) from the test driver (potential buyer) promising to reimburse the dealer towards all expenses in the event of an accident.
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Originally Posted by JayD Test drive cars are the ZDI model right?? Does it have an airbag? |
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Originally Posted by flipsyde seems like a worthwhile crash test. looks like the crumple zones have worked well |
The safest variant of the DZiRE (Zdi as also Zxi) to have had an unfortunate accident I suppose. Did the airbags deploy? If they did, how much did they contribute towards reducing the injury to the occupants? If they did not deploy, why not? Have the crumple zones and others safety features stood up to mandatory standards? Techies on the forum - please enlighten us.
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Originally Posted by phamilyman hmm, don't our people take it to 140-150 for a TD? 100-120 our standard TD guys do. |
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Originally Posted by nbr when i bought my Swift, i was checking out its top speed on this road.Hardly any traffic on this road. |
Do'nt these guys bother about handling the car's engine gently during the running period? I have also seen the 'test drivers' (drivers from the dealer) gunning the engine to unpleasant revs and doing jack rabbit starts, sometimes right under the eyes of the customer waiting to take delivery of that particular car. A sad and irritating experience. Surely the dealers have a duty towards educating and ensuring the compliance of their drivers and even the customers.
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Originally Posted by phamilyman IT seems to be someone who got the road wrong, and rest the stock tyres did them in. |
What is this about stock tyres? I did not understand. I thought the Zdi variant had the best tyres among the DZiRE stabe with alloys to boot (no pun intended there). Or is it that the new tyres would have been smooth during the running in period. Please explain.
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Originally Posted by Jaggu Torque steer in action !! |
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Originally Posted by vivekji05 Or I wonder if it's the lift-off oversteer that caused the guy to lose control.
When I test drove the Dezire, I loved the way it oversteered and dived into corners everytime I lifted off the throttle. Also pointed out that it could be disasterous and unmanageable to the novice driver. Must be that the guy wasn't prepared to give an opposite lock when the tail stepped out of the line. Or on the straight, he could have been trying to take an imaginary slalom and the rear tried to overtake the front and he veered and ended up in the lake, backwards. |
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Originally Posted by rippergeo the swift diesel on stock tyres does tend to be tail happy. have not driven the DZire.
I'm not so sure about lift off oversteer. It sounds implausible that lift off oversteer requiring opposite lock can be induced in the Dzire. would maruti risk lawsuits and bad publicity by releasing a car like that?
@vivekji05- can you give details as to what speeds and angles of corners this happens?
some amount of lift off oversteer is anticipated and acceptable, even enjoyable, but to a degree requiring opposite lock?
this road-thannerbhavi road has no major bends. the curves are gradual and have good visibilty. I've done a full 140kmph on this road in an M800(college days) on stock tyres, with no trouble. for this guy to overcook a maneuver on a straight road in a car with vastly superior handling and braking....the mind boggles |
Guys, guys please explain this 'Torque steer' and 'lift off oversteer' stuff and how to 'give opposite lock' or is it already somewhere on team-bhp. If so, would love to have the link to educate myself.