[Shan2nu]

Drag racing is not street racing.

Not all street racers are drag racers and not all drag racers are street racers.

Shan2nu

[CtrlAltDel]

i hope this death is enough to stop illegal road races in India.

[DocG]

Having raced frequently in the past all I can say is that if you're gonna do it, then try to be as responsible as possible, please don't race in traffic, shut the roads down!

The Army has authority to stop someone entering their jurisdiction by force if necessary. And if in fact this individual was not complying with them, then by all means he should be gunned down!

There is a reason why these areas are high security! What would you say if some idiot started pulling wheelies on a runway tomorrow, would you say please catch him? Hell no, put a bulllet in his head so you don't risk him setting off a bomb or something!

[prajwalkashyap]

We are not talking about entering a friend or a neighbour's compound area. This is the ARMY. Its a high security area and no one, absolutely no one is allowed in there without prior permission. The army wouldn't and shouldn't care what the boy was upto before he entered the campus. He was there illegally, and he did not listen. Down he goes. That the big difference between Police and ARMY.

You absolutely cannot mess with the army. Period.

Prajwal

[sudheeshnairs]

In the night after 1 AM, you cannot be sure that he is armed or not. He can have pistols hidden in his clothes.

The guy is speaking on phone, so chances that he is speaking to somebody over the borders. And his language was Urdu.

A car is waiting for him, and he jumps towards it without heeding to the commands by the Army jawans. So what else can an army guard, who is keeping vigil throughout the night do?

It is said that it was fired in the air first as a warning for him to surrender. Then only the guards aimed at him.

It is said that he could have shot in the legs or so. Perhaps the guard had tried to do the same thing. In the darkness of night, on a fleeing person, there is no guarantee that you would hit in the legs itself. Since the bullet had hit the abdomen, there is more chance of being aimed at the legs or lower part of the body.

In today's situation, no chance can be taken. He could be another KASAB. A person who is 20 years old should be sane enough to give up in an army area. There is no point of Human Rights or the like in this case. It is only his fault and he paid for it.

Originally Posted by Shan2nu

Nobody is gonna shoot a 20 year old student just because he was racing on the streets.

Im sure they thought he was some sort of terrorist. And we've seen in the Bbay incident that all those guys were youngsters with a clean shave and modern clothing (exactly what a 20 yr old student might look like).

But even if you have to shoot a person without the intention of killing him, you always aim at areas that will slow him down but not kill him. This is where they made a mistake.

Shan2nu

[HappyWheels]

Interesting discussion! Totally pointless!

"Cops should not chase a law breaker" - great!

So, next time, someone snatches your or your lady's watch or chain or bag and rides off fast on a bike, what do you do? Stand and watch him go safely and not give a chase???

So easy to just sit at home / office and type away!

[greenhorn]

i think the point is , these "drag racers" are not worth getting into a chase over. cops have walkie talkies right ? what happens when you are caught by a cop in a street race in NFS ? they set up a block/wait for you down the road. use their damn walkie talkies.

these folks are adrenaline junkies. adding a cop chase to their evening of fun just adds to their experience, and might even keep them coming back for more.

Its like cops busting a club full of BDSM junkies, cuffing and tying them up,beating them up and putting them behind bars

what needs to be done is to take them down in a very undesirable way

[siddartha]

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Interesting discussion! Totally pointless!

"Cops should not chase a law breaker" - great!

So, next time, someone snatches your or your lady's watch or chain or bag and rides off fast on a bike, what do you do? Stand and watch him go safely and not give a chase???

So easy to just sit at home / office and type away!

in the broader spectrum of things , if the kid was doing only wheelies and nothing else , there was no point in the cops trying to chase him/hunt him down to the point of pinning him down like he had already killed someone ,instead the cops could have noted doen the bike number and booked him for reckless driving and taken action.
would the cops have tried to chase in the same fashion if the guy was riding a superbike?
chasing a guy who mugs you/snatches my lady's bag etc are far more serious crimes , so chasing someone like that is justified , beacuse a serious crime has already been committed,

a guy who has mugged or stolen something will not want to be chased or will not want to make a point to the cops by daring them to chase him,


i think greenhorn has understood what i have been trying to say.

[mail4loys]

Originally Posted by siddartha

in the broader spectrum of things , if the kid was doing only wheelies and nothing else , there was no point in the cops trying to chase him/hunt him down to the point of pinning him down like he had already killed someone ,instead the cops could have noted doen the bike number and booked him for reckless driving and taken action.
would the cops have tried to chase in the same fashion if the guy was riding a superbike?

@siddartha: But dont you think at the first place the chase started only because the person was fleeing away? Only if he had stopped seeing the police this insident would have not happened and discussion on whether the police / Army are right would have not happened!

Originally Posted by siddartha

chasing a guy who mugs you/snatches my lady's bag etc are far more serious crimes , so chasing someone like that is justified , beacuse a serious crime has already been committed,

I'm not able to get your "serious crime" definition!

[zaks]

ok guys, I think we have said enough about this incident.

[siddartha]

Originally Posted by mail4loys

@siddartha: But dont you think at the first place the chase started only because the person was fleeing away? Only if he had stopped seeing the police this insident would have not happened and discussion on whether the police / Army are right would have not happened!



I'm not able to get your "serious crime" definition!

crime A : GUY DOING WHEELIE ON THE ROAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
CRIME B: GUY SNATCHES MY BAG AND CHAIN

which is a more serious crime ?

[BaCkSeAtDrIVeR]

@siddhartha - add these:-

C. Guy snatching a chain and racing away on a bike, doing a wheelie in the process.

And what about :-

D. The policeman who is looking out for chain snatchers on bikes who also doing wheelies, sees a guy on a bike, doing wheelies?

[siddartha]

then the headlines in the newspaper would read " chain snatcher shot dead" and not "student shot dead"

[IronWolf]

Little more than 2 cents from me.

Drag Racing or Street Racing should not be mixed with this issue. The Media will continue to sensationalize it by associating it with Racing. We as rational individuals should educate those we meet that the 2 are separate issues.

Agreed! :
He should not be racing.
He should not have ever jumped into the Army facility, even if he did go to hide there, he could have surrendered to the Army Guards who would have let him go the next morning.
His friends and Family who were on the phone with him should have advised him to surrender.
His mother should not have called her nephew to rescue him, rather told her nephew to talk to the guards and let him go.

Was he a threat to anyone other than himself and the pillion at 1am in the morning on a bike? - Maybe a threat to a pedestrian or another two wheeler, But at 1am Not really a threat to anyone but himself.

Was he a threat to the Army facility running around at 1am? - Anyone being a Jawan being constantly warned about possible terror attacks, would have definitely shot him after repeated warnings.

In respect for the family, lets not say he deserved it or that he learnt his lesson.

Mukarram, is easily like one of us, a petrolhead, enthusiastic and makes stupid mistakes.

I think if we are not going to respect that its time to close this thread.

[siddartha]

Originally Posted by BaCkSeAtDrIVeR

@siddhartha - add these:-

C. Guy snatching a chain and racing away on a bike, doing a wheelie in the process.

And what about :-

D. The policeman who is looking out for chain snatchers on bikes who also doing wheelies, sees a guy on a bike, doing wheelies?

if you walking in the middle of the night wearing a valuable chain on ur neck , u are askin for it to be snatched.