[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by am1m

And now there is going to be an elevated road there. The pace of change this city has seen is crazy.

Elevated road is not starting there, it starts only at Ejipura, the end of Koramangala from those days. Inner ring road stays for now and elevated lane starts only from egipura to hosur road jn. And as usual they will not have any exits to make it smooth, and trouble below would continue to remain. Always wondered why none of the flyovers or elevated roads are future proofed at design with proper exits and to make them truly signal less.

Look at ORR flyover at HSR, its just plain chaos now underneath the flyover.

[speedmiester]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

The commute from Egipura to Sony world both sides have become horrible. Solid 30 minutes added to my office commute, after the work on the elevated flyover went full on since this Monday. The pillar work has blocked half of Inner Ring Road, this inturn creates a domino effect with blocks around the whole area.

Best to avoid travelling to Koramangala area if you can, especially during peak hours!

Tell me about it.

Though my office is near Sony world junction which doesnt require me to cross this junction, my commute time has increased from 30-40mins from April to around 55-70mins now.
This is inspite of starting from my place at 7:30-7:45AM.

My colleague who leaves for work little late has a problem as no auto will come to Koramangala because of this mess.

[Nalin1]

Originally Posted by am1m

Some trivia: Before the EGL and before there was an Inner Ring Road itself, all that was defense land, some private farmland, and a brick kiln. As kids we used to sneak in with our cycles, cycle around and watch the planes take off and land till the army guys would catch us and chase us away.

And now there is going to be an elevated road there. The pace of change this city has seen is crazy.

Can I add something to this? I spent all my childhood on old airport road. The only thing I remember when cycling from New Horizon School on 100 feet road towards old airport road was a big drain beyond old airport road towards Koramangala side.

I never imagined that one fine day, any road (let alone a major road) will come up there .

[gtonsing]

Originally Posted by Nalin1

Can I add something to this? I ........
I never imagined that one fine day, any road (let alone a major road) will come up there .

I am not a native to Karnataka or Bangalore for that matter. But even I remember Inner ring road, we used to hire cars from a shady dealer in Shanthi Nagar (who would not give the car papers) and do doughnuts and handbrake U-Turns right about where the divider is, around 10 pm at night (i know, I know, not safe, foolishness etc. But those were young days and who knew?). Absolutely no traffic and almost zero people too.
Also, used to accompany people to St Johns Hospital and it was scary coming back from there to Koramangala 6th Block at 9:30 or 10 pm as there was no one and only street dogs and the one or two cars. This is less than 20 years ago.
Look at these places now! Traffic jams even at 10 pm!

[Jaggu]

I truly believe the roads would be much lesser congested and easier to navigate if people had more sense at driving. Let me quote some examples of what happened today morning.

Instance 1 - Inner ring road, as the traffic slows down towards Ejipura people have a tendency to crowd up and close all lanes. It is at best a 3 lane road, but within 5 minutes of signal turning red, the road is lined up with 5 to 6 lanes of traffic. Best part is that the exit ahead is now narrow, and would barely take 2 vehicles. If people had common sense and stick to the middle of the 3 lanes, that would actually leave space for two wheelers to peacefully pass in the middle and then the 3 lane to better merge out at the signal. But NO! everyone has to occupy every inch of space. Very few has the sense of sticking to middle of lane, start moving to the far ends and then idiot cabs and autos start squeezing in.

Stick to middle of the lane and you can avoid this choke up! Traffic cops please take notice!

Instance 2: Narrow inside road of ejipura (i avoid it on a car but today i had to get to office early and had to risk it), well it is narrow 2 cars can barely pass and add to that there are two wheelers parked, people cooking and lamp posts which take away 2 feet of the width all through the road. When the whole lane is chocked, the opposite lane traffic can flow if there is enough space left at the places where lamp posts project. But no, moment there is space ahead, without any care for oncoming lane, people will Q up within inches of each other. End result choco-block continues as an endless loop, since the opposite lane traffic cant pass at the narrow section where street lamps are. How many seconds would it take if each lane waits and let other side pass?? Especially when the frigging traffic is blocked 2 meters ahead of you!! Use headlights, hand gestures, nothing works with these morons on road.

Small commonsensical etiquette would make our roads so much better! but no we are inherently morons with no sense or patience!

End of rant...

[gtonsing]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

I truly believe the roads would be much lesser congested ..............
Small commonsensical etiquette would make our roads so much better! but no we are inherently morons with no sense or patience!

End of rant...

I completely agree with you. Not just Inner ring road, but everywhere in the city. Even when they know there is on-coming traffic, autos, taxis and even well dressed, seemingly well educated people in cars go and fill up all the lanes, leaving no room for on-coming traffic to move. What sense is that? Even cows and animals pass each other giving way!
I have said it before and will say it again. Bangalore traffic is not good. However we can do a lot to help ease it. We should stick to lane driving. When a car or a bus or a lorry occupies the left most lane and tries to take a right turn at an intersection, it holds up everyone else. This simple act will immediately ease up the time we take to clear signals. Else we will continue to start moving when the light has already turned red.
Second, orange/amber light should be used to slow down. That people squeeze in while the lights are orange/amber is delaying cars and vehicles from another direction to go through the intersection.
But, we will not do it and continue to spend hours on the roads which, distance-wise, should hardly take 30-40 mins or 1 hr maximum!

Today's rant done!

[ninjatalli]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

I truly believe the roads would be much lesser congested and easier to navigate if people had more sense at driving.

Small commonsensical etiquette would make our roads so much better! but no we are inherently morons with no sense or patience!

End of rant...

Been in Kathmandu for past 2 weeks - although traffic in the city is a complete mess, the etiquette and road manners being followed is nothing short of exemplary!

From an infrastructure standpoint, Kathmandu is much worse than Indian cities. From vehicle density, they can give Bangalore a decent run; with the difference being the lanes are mostly 2/4 lane than large multi-lane highways we have in our cities.
Also the vehicle construct is different; with a much larger share of two-wheelers.

- Where they are different is in their road sense - on a dual lane without divider; at any signal; folks will not cross and crowd the incoming lane.

- On a 4 lane road with divider at signals; the folks turning right will keep the left lane completely empty; for vehicles to go left/straight. In one incident, at a very busy T-junction, we were on the right lane to turn right behind some 10+ vehicles; and had to wait for more than 15 mins for our lane to be allowed. The left lane was kept empty all the time with traffic heading straight without any stoppage all through the 15 mins that we spent at that junction.

- Patience levels are very high; honking is minimal; even when you have folks blocking both directions while they are doing a u-turn; or someone who has stopped the vehicle mid-way temporarily for personal reasons.

It takes about 20 - 50 mins for my daily ~5km trip from apartment to client location depending on the traffic and time of travel; but hardly even once I have not seen any of my drivers getting agitated or frustrated with the traffic scene. And this in a setup that has high (air & dust) pollution on the roads as compared to any of our metros.

We have a lot to learn from our neighbors.

[wildsdi5530]

@ninjatalli: Don't compare oranges to peaches. Kathmandu is a village with all unimportant people. In Bangalore, Everyone is a CEO or Neurosurgeon whose commute takes priority over everyone else. In our city of VIPs there is bound to be ego clashes. Do you really think that a BMTC driver who has been appointed to the highest position on Bangalore roads is going to give you way? Or the 2-wheeler who could fall to 2nd position on the Forbe's list if he is 30 sec late is going to wait for you?
@Jaggu: Common sense is very high in our people. Civic sense is lacking. The 2-wheeler knows that if he crosses you and stops ahead of your ORVM, you will not move ahead for fear of hurting him. An oncoming vehicle will time it so that you will have to cross him at the narrowest part of the road. 2-wheelers wanting to cross the road will stop in such a way that their front wheel is in your path so you have to swerve or stop. Bus, Taxi, Auto will stop in the middle of the road wherever they like because they are doing public service. 2-wheeler riders will window shop while weaving in your path and same with cruising Autos and taxis.

[nikhn]

It looks like BMTC buses coming in front of Ecospace are being made to take the service road after Ecospace flyover to ease the traffic situation. Earlier the buses would stop in the main road clogging the flyover leading to a long jam till Sarjapur road, now it seems that the buses are made to take the stop in the service road itself right after getting down the Ecospace flyover. Finally BTP realised what was one of the main causes for the jam. Not sure how much it has improved the free flow of traffic.

[msdivy]

Originally Posted by nikhn

It looks like BMTC buses coming in front of Ecospace are being made to take the service road after Ecospace flyover to ease the traffic situation. Earlier the buses would stop in the main road clogging the flyover leading to a long jam till Sarjapur road, now it seems that the buses are made to take the stop in the service road itself right after getting down the Ecospace flyover. Finally BTP realised what was one of the main causes for the jam. Not sure how much it has improved the free flow of traffic.

Buses are not the cause. The cause is vehicles waiting to enter Ecospace and this queue spills over to a couple of kilometers. Proof, the road is clear on the flyover & onwards.

In fact, it is a bad idea to let buses go under Devarabeesanahalli flyover. One is obvious - it discourages public transport by adding 10 more minutes to the journey, by making the buses wait for signal under the flyover. Other main concern is after the buses come out from fast lane under the flyover, the bus stop is just 50m away and the buses make a sharp left turn cutting across 3 lanes of ORR. Usually, there are 3 or 4 buses emerging from under the flyover and this train of buses block the ORR.

Finally BTP realised what was one of the main causes for the jam. Not sure how much it has improved the free flow of traffic.

. No way that is possible, not for BTP or any other entity to identify the cause for daily jam.

[deadguy25]

Electronic city fly-over:

When you drive up-the ramp from the Hosur road entrance to go onto the flyover, after the toll, the authorities have installed barricades at the point where the ramp joins the flyover. I did not see a signage warning\informing motorists about it. It caught a lot of motorists by surprise.

I understand this is to avoid people jumping into the lane from the ramp.

Couple of cars had hit the barricades last evening.

Please be cautious if you go that way.

[itwasntme]

Kiss goodbye to the ORR near Embassy Tech Village:

JP Morgan inks 3m sqft office deal in Bengaluru
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/65331745.cms

Originally Posted by itwasntme

Going by the speed of constructing Namma Metro's fabled 'Airport Line', Indian Railways and the state government should resurrect the age-old plan to allow suburban trains to KIAL from Yelahanka, City and KR Puram. See the GMap link: https://goo.gl/maps/LVnwKKya4J92

The existing railway line route was designed and built to pass just next to the trumpet flyover and a small station can very well be put up there at minimal cost. Subsequently, like at IGIA DIAL, airport buses can transfer passengers to the airport terminals. A few custom-designed AC rakes (wide doors, luggage racks etc.) can be used and we are done!

Unfortunately, our netas only want the 'best' for BLR, i.e. a 'high speed' rail which will maybe be completed as I am being cremated 40 years from now :-(

Quoting my own post (pending my cremation), apologies but FINALLY our rulers have buried the high speed rail and 'aborted' to the stepchild Indian Rail suburban link to KIAL:

No high-speed Maglev: Bengaluru’s Kempegowda International Airport to be connected with city by suburban rail
https://www.financialexpress.com/inf...-rail/1274661/

Extracts:
The Bangalore airport may soon get connected to the main city with a metro or suburban railway network as the state government of Karnataka has decided not to proceed with the building of an ultra high-speed train between Cubbon Road and Kempegowda International Airport.

However, now the high-speed rail project will be shelved and instead of the high-speed rail project, the focus will be to connect the airport with the Bengaluru city under the suburban rail project.

According to the Additional Chief Secretary, the single railway line to Devanahalli, which passes next to the city’s airport, has to be doubled. Jain also said that there have been discussions with railway officials on doubling as well as electrification of the line. Moreover, the railway lines have been upgraded to support a superfast train, he added.

A source quoted in the report mentioned that the government will stress on having a suburban rail as it promises faster commute at more affordable fares. Compared to metro fares, rail fares are cheaper. So commuters who travel on the route on daily basis can travel with a monthly pass.

IR pays NO bribes so this is a dead project for the Rulers

[ambivalent_98]

Originally Posted by nikhn

It looks like BMTC buses coming in front of Ecospace are being made to take the service road after Ecospace flyover to ease the traffic situation. Earlier the buses would stop in the main road clogging the flyover leading to a long jam till Sarjapur road, now it seems that the buses are made to take the stop in the service road itself right after getting down the Ecospace flyover. Finally BTP realised what was one of the main causes for the jam. Not sure how much it has improved the free flow of traffic.

I shudder to think of the time when digging for Namma Metro pillars will begin on this stretch of ORR which is jammed everyday.

[binand]

Originally Posted by itwasntme

According to the Additional Chief Secretary, the single railway line to Devanahalli, which passes next to the city’s airport, has to be doubled. Jain also said that there have been discussions with railway officials on doubling as well as electrification of the line. Moreover, the railway lines have been upgraded to support a superfast train, he added.

Those three things: doubling, electrification, upgrade - will need land and therefore will cause delays. If they choose to run normal DMUs at 1-hour intervals and feeder buses from Devanahalli station it will be sufficient.

[itwasntme]

Originally Posted by binand

Those three things: doubling, electrification, upgrade - will need land and therefore will cause delays. If they choose to run normal DMUs at 1-hour intervals and feeder buses from Devanahalli station it will be sufficient.

@binand: No need to look all the way till Devanahalli. There is earmarked land next to BIAL toll booth for a station. With modern civil engineering they can build a station platform in 2 weeks flat. All they need is the will. In fact, BIAL's original master plan envisaged this solution right at the outset.

Run DMUs every hour from KR Puram, YPR & stopping at Hebbal & Yelahanka. Dedicate a fleet of low floor buses to ship pax to the PTB at a nominal ticket cost, and many will be benefited.

But this is the logical 'socialist' solution which doesn't work in modern KA