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Old 5th June 2018, 11:42   #46
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This is the only part of your post that I agree with. All owners of Supercars & Superbikes must go through specialised training & track courses.
RIP. IMHO, I don't think training is going to help in this regard. Its a simple matter of excessive speed on a public road. There is absolutely no reason for someone to be driving that fast with so many vehicles around (as was shown on the infographic)

Similar case of a young racing driver overspeeding in Chennai in a Porsche in the middle of the night a couple of months ago; his car slammed into 10 parked autos killing several of their drivers.

These roads and traffic behaviour is not built for speed.
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RIP to the deceased. Hoping the bereaved come out of this tragic incident. Strength be upon them.

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One a separate note, I want to talk about an issue that has been infuriating me for a while.

It is this huge dissemination of disinformation regarding crash safety which has become the rage these days. Earlier, the average person did not know much about crash safety and structural engineering of cars, today, the average person knows all the wrong things about crash safety and norms...

This is the same thing which happened in this Ferrari crash. The comments are such incredulous. The average person somehow thinks that the more expensive the car, the greater the chances of survival. I have had a car-enthusiast friend of mine ask me how could he have died when the airbags have been deployed. How did the car hit the wall when it has ABS? Ferrari has carbon-brakes na? This means Ferrari is terrible?

...Unfortunately, this absolutely wrong crash-analysis of facebook will continue unless someone corrects people.
Why Facebook? You will find such comments everywhere, and some times right here!

I have quoted the person below. Personally, it's was infuriating to read such a post.

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Good lives are lost and it has once again proved that no car is safe , no matter how safe the manufacturer's claims it to be. Something needs to be done for sure. It's sad that you buy your dream car and it ends your life. You are bound to drive them fast if they are capable of such high speeds . If such high speeds are not safe on public roads then why those cars are designed for such speeds. And why they are allowed to be driven on public roads. All enthusiast are going to hate this but I suggest as below. Concerned authorities should set some rules.
The belief that the car ought to have saved you in spite of breaching the speed limit x 3 on fairly questionable roads, and then categorically stating "it's sad to buy your dream car and it ends your life." and "no car is safe, no matter how safe the manufacturers claim it to be" as if to imply that the cars and their manufacturers are at fault here.

Worse are the posts that say that such cars ought to be driven on a track. Yes, track-spec cars are to be driven on a track. But a California T is not a track car by any stretch of imagination. The definition of the California T is that it's a boulevard cruiser that can be an accomplished GT / touring car.

Driving such cars require you to have a very level head. 600 horsepower is a lot of power, and it's power that ought to be handled responsibly and it's imperative to exercise certain levels of restraint, with the understanding that the consequences could be fatal.

These cars are sold all over the world, and accidents happen on a routine basis. However, I have very rarely seen the cars being blamed for such accidents.
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Old 5th June 2018, 12:28   #48
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We have all driven on Indian highways\expressways and know the elements that we come across, unexpected movements, vehicles coming from the wrong side, animals and a fellow who thinks he can outrun a car travelling at a speed of 100km/hr.

I dont know the details about the drive/driver etc but a super car at 120km/hr on those roads is something that is not easy for me to digest. My "speculative" pea-sized brain tells me it was doing much more than that.

Blaming infrastructure, road surface ,jaywalkers, well we have been driving here, things are changing, albeit slowly but we cant blame the govt.

It is what it is, take it or leave it, drive or dont drive. Things on Indian happens wont change overnight. Period. Accidents happen, sometimes even if one is careful and not at fault.

RIP Mr Roy, lesson for all of us drive safe and as someone mentioned, with super cars, comes super responsibility. Putting few hundred km's on the odo doesnt make you certified expert driver.
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Old 5th June 2018, 13:07   #49
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RIP. IMHO, I don't think training is going to help in this regard.
These roads and traffic behaviour is not built for speed.
Cannot agree more. Mere training does not bring any behavioral changes. It is the experience that teach lessons but sometimes, very hard way. NOT any amount of special training can bring responsibility within Human beings. It is the owner/driver attitude towards life that brings responsibility.

I read through all the posts here but these points caught my attention before I wrote this.

1. The car was yet to be purchased or just purchased but still transfer had not happened.
2. Car was driven at very high speed (close to 200 KMPH and later posts says 120 KMPH)

Will I dare to drive "NOT MY CAR" close to 200 KMPH ? I will certainly NOT.

Be it any Road, If the car is not mine, I should drive more conservatively.

I understand and appreciate the psychology of friends who are in support of the driver and blame Indian roads, Government, Infrastructure development team for laying pipes so horribly, Car manufacturers for not including safety features to save occupants at the speed in the car, etc

But, simple question. Who has more stake in saving my life? Is it myself OR all the above agencies? If I am driving my car at a particular speed, then, I am responsible for any mishaps that happen. I cannot blame anyone else for mishap that may happen.
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Many here are saying not to judge the man but how one can one not judge someone who was overspeeding with a 17 year old child as co passenger - that is a criminal negligence to put it mildly . It is fine and dandy to blame roads or divider layout or truck driver but anyone who has driven on Indian roads for 500km should know these are ever present hazards and as such the onus is on drivers to predict these and drive defensively .

The speedometer of the car was stuck at 130 when it hit the barrier , braking as per skid marks started 70 meter before impact so there exists the possibility that the vehicle was being driven at a significantly higher speed .

Sports car are not a unique sight on Kolkata roads and I have seen enough Porsches ( they are especially prominent due to a showroom here ) do speeds in excess of 150 on flyovers and routine city roads to know how recklessly these cars are driven . Some might call this stereotyping and perhaps it is ; I myself ride a duke 390 and won't entirely disagree with the stereotype that most 390/sportsbikes riders here are 20 something youngsters who ride as if they are racing on the tracks .

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You are bound to drive them fast if they are capable of such high speeds . If such high speeds are not safe on public roads then why those cars are designed for such speeds.
Wow!
You couldn't be more wrong. Almost cars are capable of doing illegal speeds, doesn't mean you should. Just using a tool (for lack of a better word) to do everything it can is just stupid. Did you know that kitchen knife can be used to stab a human being? Why don't we?
This is exactly the kind of attitude that leads to such accidents.
I am in utter dismay at this kind of thinking on such a forum.
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The speedometer of the car was stuck at 130 when it hit the barrier , braking as per skid marks started 70 meter before impact so there exists the possibility that the vehicle was being driven at a significantly higher speed .
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70 meters braking distance with Ferrari's brakes! Also add the distance of braking before the tyres started skidding. And still ended up at 130, how fast was this guy going? Complete nuts! Was this a case of failure in braking system / ABS / other super expensive fancy sounding Ferrari braking systems?

I am glad that he didnt kill someone else innocent on the road in his "Need for Speed".

These are the kind if incidents which make me feel that we should not have cars like these as road-legal. In India anything doing above 150 kmph must be taken off the road. I dont think there is any public road on which you can do >150 kmh speeds for even 10 seconds. Why risk lives of innocent people for those 10 seconds of fun for an enthusiast.

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RIP.

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The speedometer of the car was stuck at 130 when it hit the barrier , braking as per skid marks started 70 meter before impact so there exists the possibility that the vehicle was being driven at a significantly higher speed .
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70 meters braking distance with Ferrari's brakes! Also add the distance of braking before the tyres started skidding. And still ended up at 130, how fast was this guy going?
If my 10th grade physics serves me right, with equations v = u +at and s = ut + 0.5*a*t*t, speed at the start of the skid can be calculated.

Assuming a = 2g (~20 m/s/s) and substituting u = v-at and solving the quadratic equation for t, gives t=1.04, giving u = 56.9 m/s.

This is approx equal to 204 km/h.

If someone can verify if my calculations are approximately correct! There will of course be various other considerations, but this is a back-of-an-envelope calculation and subject to errors.
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Extremely disheartened after hearing this case. Looking at the condition of the car, the driver must have suffered a lot. The problem is that these cars do a pretty good job masking high speeds. Something like a 120-150 feels merely like a 60 if you compare it to say, a Honda City. This does give driver enough confidence but we cannot deny that high speeds are high speeds. On top of that, the Indian road infrastructure is not at all suitable for such vehicles, with most of the roads being unpaved/unleveled and surprises arising out of anywhere, from animals to two-wheelers to tuk-tuks to trucks.
May god rest his soul in peace. It was a tragic day and no matter how cautious we are, no one can avoid the inevitable. Condolences for his family and friends.
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Just saw the aftermath video of the Crash and it's absolutely heart wrenching to see that beautiful machine in such a state.
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I read in an article that the car was locked into "Comfort Mode" and the car wont exceed 150 kmph in that mode! I dont think Ferrari would put a speed limiter at 90 mph on any of their vehicles. Please give me some insight into this.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/calcu...d-marks-235502

That said, I would urge everyone to pray for the kid fighting for her life.
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"But 5-star rating hain na!"
Overall, I second your post. However there are some people at the other end of the spectrum who will ignore safety features while their purchase saying even Ferrari and its safety features can't save you when luck isn't with you; so why to pay extra money for safety features and safer cars!
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May his soul RIP. My mind went back to this article on Overdrive when I read the news about this accident.
http://overdrive.in/news-cars-auto/f...ity-conundrum/
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Wow!
You couldn't be more wrong. Almost cars are capable of doing illegal speeds, doesn't mean you should. Just using a tool (for lack of a better word) to do everything it can is just stupid. Did you know that kitchen knife can be used to stab a human being? Why don't we?
This is exactly the kind of attitude that leads to such accidents.
I am in utter dismay at this kind of thinking on such a forum.
I do agree that anything should not be used for what it CAN do. But let's also look at the other perspective.
A humble Alto will be much more unstable at triple digit speeds compared to a C class for example. Cars that are made for speed also are meant to be maneuvered at speed. So, I feel its quite natural to feel more confident in a better car (not to mention a Ferrari) and probably this is the reason the comment " you are bound to drive fast..." was made. No one spends crores on a sports car just for commuting from point A to B.
Confidence turning to over-confidence might be at play here, and driving any car on Indian roads at close to 200 K's is certainly playing hide and seek with Yamraj. Let his soul RIP and strength be with the child for a fast recovery.
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Worse are the posts that say that such cars ought to be driven on a track. Yes, track-spec cars are to be driven on a track. But a California T is not a track car by any stretch of imagination. The definition of the California T is that it's a boulevard cruiser that can be an accomplished GT / touring car.
Very true. Very few people understand that not all high-end sports cars are trackable. Cars like the California T are grand tourers, designed for driving cross-country on public highways in luxury. The power on hand is meant to make highway cruising more comfortable, and to make quick overtakes. Yes, it can also attack corners, but it is better suited for twisty mountain roads than the ones at MMRT or BIC. Just because not everyone has the right temperament to handle the power isn't reason enough to relegate these beauties to performing only track duties.

The way I see it, it is clear that many factors were at play in causing the accident here, and the blame cannot be pinned squarely on any one party. Nevertheless, at the end of the day, a life was lost, and the only take away is this:

Out on our roads,
No matter if you drive a Ferrari or Ford,
It is better to err on the safe side of caution,
'Cause if you throw it to the winds,
Nary will there be time for reaction,
Well isn't how it would all end,
For the bystander, for you, for your family, and your friends.


My sincerest condolences for the victim's family. May his soul rest in peace. Drive safe everyone.
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