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Old 29th January 2017, 19:50   #91
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Updating thread after a long time.

Odometer reads some 7600km.
Had 3rd service done in Nov 2016, cost ~INR 6000.

One fine day in late October, after tanking up, bike refused to start. Cranking happened, but was in weak short bursts. Called RSA, dropped bike off at BUB.

Turns out to be sudden battery death. The battery would not charge, on alternator power or from external battery charger, even left to charge 2-3 days on slow charge. So battey replaced with same OEM brand and model, YTX-9BS. I did consider aftermarket battery , but wasn't convinced on switching to lithium-Fe-Po battery despite the better claims of weight saving by half and better cold cranking amperes. Main thing is lithium compound chemistry, while many in US recommend these, I wasn't so sure about the longevity and safety of lithium batteries in Indian climatic conditions - running in a very hot summer in the hot confines of a motorcycle. Battery cost was some INR 59xx but took a month to arrive.

I thought it's a premature failure, having failed in just over 2 years, but I'm told superbike batteries last 2 years. The usual lead-acid batteries in our other cars/bikes have all done 4 years minimum.

The bad part is it failed without warning, suddenly. Usually, failures should occur with warning/signs of wear/imminent failure, as often referred to as graceful degradation of performance.
Now imagine yourself on a long cross-country trip and the battery fails out of the blue.

I must admit last year wasn't great for riding. Missed IBW 2016. Summer seemed to have started early, the few rides I did before monsoons ( March to June) I was exhausted and drained by the heat. Contrast the summer of 2015, I was still in good spirits/temperatures wearing leathers as late as early April. Monsoons too haven't clocked any meaningful miles.

In between these rides, the front tyre ( Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsa ) works better than the Diablo Supercorsa that was OEM fitment. It might be a one off or a tyre defect. With the new tyre - not exactly new since it was changed in May 2016, I didn't experience the front end instability/wobble and that restored some confidence back, to try trail-braking. I can now brake into turns, leaning and not experience those heart-in-mouth wobbles. Nonetheless, for the price of this bike and repair cost and timelines, I'm rather hesitant to ride hard as I dare or hard as others I ride with. In the back of my mind, I want to keep a cheaper track bike (if a track in western India does indeed happen), either an R-15 or RC200/390 , or the upcoming TVS Akula, maybe I'll buy one of these used and do my corner-craving antics on these, as crashing them won't be as mentally or financially painful. Not that I wouldn't love to keep an RSV4 as trackbike . Besides, my parking area is getting crowded so there's going to be some trouble keeping too many bikes - I'll work something out over the months.

Changed the headlamp bulbs to Osram Nightbreaker Plus, much better than OEM bulbs.

My new Nexx XR2 helmet still feels a bit tight, causing some earlobe ache but it's better today than last week. The upward vision improvement is helpful, though wind noise is higher than with the MT. The Nexx visor is much thicker so should be a useful barrier against impacts, and optically excellent. Visor removal/fitment mechanism is a bit fidgety, with a plastic clip each side, visor removal/fit doesn't take long, but other brands have easier mechanisms. It does fog up more than the MT, but comes with Pinlock in the box , which I didn't install and now with winter fading, don't need to. Yet to see how it works in rains, for fogging and sealing of the visor. It also has tear-off posts, but haven't found tear-off strips anywhere.


Couple of pics from recent ride, a motley of BHPians, RATs, and other riders.
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Old 29th January 2017, 21:43   #92
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I thought it's a premature failure, having failed in just over 2 years, but I'm told superbike batteries last 2 years. The usual lead-acid batteries in our other cars/bikes have all done 4 years minimum...
My Iron 883's battery failed without warning in about 17 months after delivery. It was replaced under warranty by HD India. I am thinking of buying extended warranty... another battery failure will recover half the cost of warranty

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Do you use a battery tender/ trickle charger? I would recommend one as my FZ1s batt is still going strong after 4+ years now....! It's a similar factory Yuasa battery.
Last year indeed was dry for me too as I did not ride much and this year seems similar as the heat is on already...! Sigh
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Which trickle charger are you using? I'm still not convinced it's a justified purchase for most users, except the very infrequent user or those with long periods of non-use, like sailors away for months at a time ; or the occasional emergency when the battery charge drops too low even for otherwise regular use.
I'll also have to check how DIY is battery removal and refit.

Yes Crankpin, the heat has been turned on a bit early this year too. Although mornings have a slight chill before 7:00 or so, it quickly burns off past sunrise. Time to think of a mesh jacket and/or a cooling vest.
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Which trickle charger are you using? I'm still not convinced it's a justified purchase for most users, except the very infrequent user or those with long periods of non-use, like sailors away for months at a time ; or the occasional emergency when the battery charge drops too low even for otherwise regular use.
I'll also have to check how DIY is battery removal and refit.
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I have used the following in the past and its quiet good. I am sure something similar should be available in India as well

Triumph Daytona 675 flies in! Welcome home, Ravensoul-trickle-charger.jpg

Amazon has a lot of choices as well - the search results for trickle chargers

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=lp_1570...nid=3599823011

New ones costs around USD 25.00

The DIY bit of this can be cumbersome specially if you live in an apartment complex etc. Otherwise its fairly straightforward, you can get a sort of fixed charger leads (read as wires) to your battery and connect the trickle charger to that and you are done.

Trust this makes some sense

Best Regards & Ride Safe

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Time has been slipping by, almost a year went unnoticed without updating this thread.

Ravensoul got new footwear. The Pirelli Diablo SuperCorsa SP that was OEM, still had the minimum depth so in theory would have lasted a bit more, but I did feel the tyre starting to slip when pushed even moderately hard, so the useful life was over.
Now I have Pirelli Diablo Rosso II in the same 180/55 size. I looked hard for a Rosso Corsa, which I have on the front so would complement it well, but it wasn't available. There was a SuperCorsa SC available, but that's almost a pure track tyre and at a steep 26k price. So far I've only run some 300-odd km on the new rubber, and breaking them in took much of that running.

The odo reads around 98xx km, telling how little it has run in the since last year. I was confident (in hindsight, overconfident) of getting used to the racebike ergonomics and to an extent, did get used to it too. I don't know if it's age or some underlying health deterioration, but I'm suffering from exhaustion during/after rides a lot more now. It is definitely better in winters, I can complete rides without notable tiredness, but this winter has been short, and so has been the riding weather. One part of the equation is the extreme racebike ergonomics , the other part is heat. Not wanting to quit riding big bikes just yet, I have this plan to side-grade to a standard/naked bike for the friendlier ergonomics.


I rode the Street Triple 765S this Sunday, longer than the usual test ride route. This time, I rode it to Lonavala, and it puts a big fat spanner in my side-grade plans. No, nothing wrong with the bike as such. The engine is pretty good - decent until 4000, awakens from 4000 to 6000 and then really gets charged up 6000 upward. It does feel a good lot like the Daytona, a little weaker or stronger at one point or another depending on RPM and throttle opening.

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Small and low that the Daytona's fairing/windscreen is, it does provide a modest amount of wind protection and wind redirection. Riding the Street Triple, the amount of windblast I experienced, I wasn't expecting. Worse than the windblast itself, was the helmet noise. On the Daytona, it's fairly noisy and I wear earplugs anytime I'm going out of the city. On the Street Triple, that wind noise was amplified, it was unbearable.

I rarely do more than 120 on the Dominar, but on a 600cc+ bike, that won't be the case. Should I go ahead with this side-grade, I'll have to find a suitable aftermarket windscreen pronto. This also suggests any bigger naked bike would be grossly overkill, and very nosily tiring for me. Otherwise, I have to widen my search, and look at the CBR650F, Tiger 800 and perhaps the Ducati Supersport with a lot more serious intent.

And yet, for all the discomfort and exhaustion, the heart insists deep within - I'm not done with Ravensoul just yet.

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Ricci, Like to share what I learnt on my own about riding fitness in general. One is the general physical fitness which I am not going to mention anything in specific. The most important point is about getting used to riding more often and long distance touring. The more kms you clock, the body will get used to it and inherently increases your riding stamina. Just give a try doing long rides more often and you will see a significant improvement in your stamina.

Ricci, Like to share what I learnt on my own about riding fitness in general. One is the general physical fitness which I am not going to mention anything in specific. The most important point is about getting used to riding more often and long distance touring. The more kms you clock, the body will get used to it and inherently increases your riding stamina. Just give a try doing long rides more often and you will see a significant improvement in your stamina.

Wind noise aggravates the setting of fatigue. Ear plugs is the best thing to use when you do long distance riding.

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I have to widen my search, and look at the CBR650F, Tiger 800 and perhaps the Ducati Supersport with a lot more serious intent.
If I may suggest - You should also take a look at the Kawasaki Ninja 1000, instead of CBR650F.

Honda CBR650F will be a downgrade from the Daytona with just 87ps on tap. The Ninja 1000 on the other hand has around 142ps - whereas the riding ergonomics on both these bikes are fairly similar and much more relaxed than your Daytona. N1000 comes loaded with features as well - IMU, power modes, traction control, assist and slipper clutch etc all at a price difference of only 2.6L above the CBR650F.

Tiger 800 is a totally different breed. Would be drastically different from your Daytona - and not sure if that would be something you would like in the long run.

As for the Ducati Supersport -


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I have a similar thought lingering these days, due to my own fitness (or the lack of it). The sportbike ergonomics take a toll on longer rides. However, I still feel I have a handful of years of sportbiking left in me and want to make use of that, before moving on to an adventure bike.

On a sidenote, @Sujai, a Daytona has been adorning my garage since about a month now.
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Get a BMW S1000XR and put yourself out of this misery.

Power? Problem solved.
Touring? Solved.
Track? Solved.
Brand image? Solved.
Technology? Solved.
Pillion comfort? Solved.
Luggage? Solved.
Wind protection? Solved.

The only thing it doesnt solve, is the north korean conflict. Yet.

Well, and offroad.

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Get a BMW S1000XR and put yourself out of this misery.
BMW is even including the XR for track programs along with the R and the RR. Now that's something indeed!

But then ofcourse - there is the price tag. It is still way above something like a Ninja 1000, even though the XR was the biggest beneficiary of the recent price cuts.
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Get a BMW S1000XR and put yourself out of this misery.

The only thing it doesnt solve, is the north korean conflict. Yet.

Well, and offroad.
at North Korea !

I climbed aboard the S1000XR once - and it felt big, heavy and it is north of 20 lakhs. Spec-wise, its weight isn't far off the Tiger 800, but I felt the Tiger's height a tad easier to get a footing and manage the weight.
I'm somehow managing to curb my cravings for litreclass madness, and you're fuelling it more! I did for a weeks, seriously consider buying the S1000RR or GSX-R1000 or ZX-10R or RSV4 ; considering they all felt a tad more comfortable (or rather less unconfortable?) sitting on them - but alas, I'd be paying big EMIs for a long time again and not using all those horses.


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On a sidenote, @Sujai, a Daytona has been adorning my garage since about a month now.
Congrats Dreamseller! Has it been doing more than adorning the garage?
Is there an ownership thread in the pipeline?



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If I may suggest - You should also take a look at the Kawasaki Ninja 1000, instead of CBR650F.

Honda CBR650F will be a downgrade from the Daytona with just 87ps on tap. The Ninja 1000 on the other hand has around 142ps - comes loaded with features as well - IMU, power modes, traction control, assist and slipper clutch etc all at a price difference of only 2.6L above the CBR650F.

Tiger 800 is a totally different breed. Would be drastically different from your Daytona - and not sure if that would be something you would like in the long run.
I've kept the Ninja 1000 (and the GSX-S1000F) at the back of my mind, yes. I'm trying to keep away from 240kg bikes though, something lighter and lower (seat height) being helpful in maintaining control. I've sat on a CBR650F and it's seat height, weight and ergos seem about right (in fact, had the last gen CBR650F been launched before the Daytona, I'd very likely have bought it). It is a downgrade in spec, yes, which is why the Street Triple occupies the 1st place. Oh, and the Ninja 1000 costs over 4 lakh more than CBR650.

I've briefly ridden the Tiger too and I know it's chalk and cheese, but that's also the bike I can think of touring on, as capable as it is on Indian roads. But then, it doesn't handle as well as the other tarmac oriented triples in the range.




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The more kms you clock, the body will get used to it and inherently increases your riding stamina. Just give a try doing long rides more often and you will see a significant improvement in your stamina.

Wind noise aggravates the setting of fatigue. Ear plugs is the best thing to use when you do long distance riding.
I'd try to ride more, but I no longer ride alone much, and on this expensive a bike, I'd rather have company that can help out should the need arise, so long rides simply won't happen every time I get the day off.

Moreover, it's tied to the supersport ergos, I manage a lot better on the Dominar with a mild lean, having done Goa in Dec and another 350km one way trip in Jan, with way less fatigue. And yes, I do ride with earplugs everytime I'm going on a trip and not a commute.

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