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Old 2nd May 2019, 07:36   #31
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100% agreed.

I fail to understand how HMSI has missed the demand for CB500x in India.
I am genuinely interested in knowing what HMSI thinks of our market and how it decides the strategy.
Completely Agree. There is a big gap to explore between the CB300R and the CBR 650R. Bangalore on-road prices of these two ranges from 3.05L to 9.5L respectively. They wont get a better chance to launch the CBR500R/500X.
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Completely Agree. There is a big gap to explore between the CB300R and the CBR 650R. Bangalore on-road prices of these two ranges from 3.05L to 9.5L respectively. They wont get a better chance to launch the CBR500R/500X.
When you already have the RE 650 twins at ~3L .... why would anyone pay a premium for CB500 ? Already HD is suffering with sales on its 750 twins - RE has destroyed the low end naked/classic market with its pricing.
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When you already have the RE 650 twins at ~3L .... why would anyone pay a premium for CB500 ? Already HD is suffering with sales on its 750 twins - RE has destroyed the low end naked/classic market with its pricing.
The CBR500R nor the CB500X that I was talking about is a naked bike and the 2019 models of the same are built to purpose and doesn't come in direct competition with RE650's. Perhaps a Himalayan 650 will go head on against a CB500X on paper, but you know the Japanese will price them higher, because mostly they dont use budget parts and they wont be made in India, both of which adds cost.

Why is the similar priced CB300R sold out for the rest of the year when they had the option of RE650's ? There are people who don't want a Royal Enfield. And as long as they have options in the same price bracket, they will definitely be considered. The reliability and the nature of these Japanese can never be matched by RE, atleast in the near future.

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On the positive side, such investments also mean that HMSI is getting more and more serious about the premium bike segment which will translate to newer models being brought here.
I also believe that with these dealerships coming in, the entire experience gets taken to a different level. I have few friends who are between 30 - 50 years of age, who were once riders or are looking to get bikes for themselves [mid-life crisis or whatever] but imagine walking into this and then walking to a small tiny dealership and or trying to get the sales personnel's attention in the midst of 100cc bikes & scooters.

I just wish, Honda won't take a leaf out from Honda Cars India and price things sensibly.


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When you already have the RE 650 twins at ~3L .... why would anyone pay a premium for CB500 ? Already HD is suffering with sales on its 750 twins - RE has destroyed the low end naked/classic market with its pricing.
# Its a Honda
# It is a HONDA

# It is a H-O-N-D-A.
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# Its a Honda
# It is a HONDA

# It is a H-O-N-D-A.
Harley Davidson has a better brand value than Honda in premium segment - still they took a massive hit from RE. End of the day Indian customer is very price sensitive - you cant justify a 2L (even if we assume CB500 is 5L ex-showroom which i doubt considering Honda's premium pricing) over RE twins just on basis of Honda badge.

As far as compare with CB300 is concerned - lets wait and watch the volumes which Honda moves vs RE volumes.

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The CBR500R nor the CB500X that I was talking about is a naked bike and the 2019 models of the same are built to purpose and doesn't come in direct competition with RE650's.
Fully agree. Bring on bikes like CB500X, there are not many options for adv bikes in the <= 5lakh segment. With the growing popularity for touring in the urban population there is a good market which can be exploited. The Honda reliability is the icing on the cake. I am ready to spend a bit more for a Honda compared to others cause of the good experience I have had with Honda bikes earlier.
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Harley Davidson has a better brand value than Honda in premium segment - still they took a massive hit from RE. End of the day Indian customer is very price sensitive - you cant justify a 2L (even if we assume CB500 is 5L ex-showroom which i doubt considering Honda's premium pricing) over RE twins just on basis of Honda badge.

As far as compare with CB300 is concerned - lets wait and watch the volumes which Honda moves vs RE volumes.

A person who goes out to buy an adventure tourer looks at more than brand value. He looks at reliability, first and foremost.

And we all know how bad both RE and HD are at that front.
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A person who goes out to buy an adventure tourer looks at more than brand value. He looks at reliability, first and foremost.

And we all know how bad both RE and HD are at that front.
Yeah well if that was true then Versys 1000 would be the king of Big ADVs and BMW/Ducati/Triumph wouldnt be selling at all.
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Yeah well if that was true then Versys 1000 would be the king of Big ADVs and BMW/Ducati/Triumph wouldnt be selling at all.

I thought Africa Twin is the new king of Big ADVs.

And thats (reliability that is) the reason the almost outdated Super Tenere still sells in the numbers it does.
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I thought Africa Twin is the new king of Big ADVs.

And thats (reliability that is) the reason the almost outdated Super Tenere still sells in the numbers it does.
Africa Twin sells because of its off-road ability which is unmatched. And it’s definitely not the king in terms of volumes (going by the number of GS, Tigers & Multi’s I see in Blr compared to Africa Twins). Honda imports a limited number and sells them out that’s it.

Super tenere It’s one outdated bike not even in same volume ballpark as GS/KTM/Ducati’s abroad
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Harley Davidson has a better brand value than Honda in premium segment - still they took a massive hit from RE.
RE & HD, both are vying for attention from riders who are laid back, are more into cruising, brand image etc.

Someone looking at that genre wouldn't even consider the others.

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End of the day Indian customer is very price sensitive - you cant justify a 2L (even if we assume CB500 is 5L ex-showroom which i doubt considering Honda's premium pricing) over RE twins just on basis of Honda badge.
Yes, but they also want a quality and niggle free product. I know of few friends who went from the pocket rocket D-390 to a mellow CBR-250R.

At-least I would happily pay a Japanese/German manufacturer top dollar for a reliable, niggle free and precise, calibrated product.

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for.
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Can I add the CRF 250 L/Rally to the list? Even at ~4.5 lakhs, I'd not call it overpriced like the Versys 300. It anyways shares the powertrain with the CBR 250. So they can probably bring it down to Rs. ~3 lakh and pit it against the 310 GS.
I so wish honda would launch the CRF250 Rally here. It is a perfect blend of utility and looks. I don't see it happening even in the next 5 years though. Honda could easily get the first movers advantage if they launch it in sub 4 Lac price range.

I am so disappointed by the lack or overpriced options available in the adventure bike range.
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I so wish honda would launch the CRF250 Rally here. It is a perfect blend of utility and looks. I don't see it happening even in the next 5 years though. Honda could easily get the first movers advantage if they launch it in sub 4 Lac price range.

I am so disappointed by the lack or overpriced options available in the adventure bike range.
CRF 250 Rally sells at $6.3K USD in US. If i try and triangulate the indian price basis US price to India price in case of Africa Twin / CBR650 - it will land here at a price of ~5L ex-showroom - ~6L OTR. You still think it will sell
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CRF 250 Rally sells at $6.3K USD in US. If i try and triangulate the indian price basis US price to India price in case of Africa Twin / CBR650 - it will land here at a price of ~5L ex-showroom - ~6L OTR. You still think it will sell
Please don't compare the prices of US vs India for all capacity motorcycles. Most of the lower capacity motorcycles are priced way more higher than India prices here in US.

If we go with your statement, then CB 300 should have been priced close to 4 lakhs as it is retailing at $5400 including destination fees here in US for the ABS versions. Same goes with R3, Ninja 300, RC390 etc. The pricing here in US is based on the demand for the product.

I agree that price plays a more important role when it comes to Indian customers. GT twins are launched at great prices in India. But long term reliability, riding comfort, touring abilities cannot be compared with Europeans or Japanese. If you got used to that once, it is highly unlikely you will settle for anything less.
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Honda to take on mid-size motorcycle leader Royal Enfield, to spread Big Wing dealerships to 22 locations and 100 outlets in the coming 18 months.
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Led by Yogesh Powar, who has previously worked for global giants like Ducati and Harley, Honda wants to bring in an 'outside in' approach, with a team selected carefully to deliver a specialised focus on big bikes with dedicated, sales, marketing, branding and after sales support. The company will be setting up an independent network across 22 locations with 100 outlets in the country in the coming 18 months.

"We are approaching the premium bike business with the new energy and zeal than ever before, not to be mixed with mass market approach. We know that pricing is going to be key consideration for increasing the volumes and viability of our dealers. There has to be a model that is locally produced to make it viable," said Yadvinder Singh Guleria, Sr VP, sales and marketing at Honda Motorcycle & Scooter India declaring the company's intention to play in over 8 lakh units market per annum, which is pre-dominantly led by Royal Enfield.
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