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Old 20th March 2023, 20:55   #451
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Re: Review: My Yamaha R1 (WGP 50th Anniversary Edition)

Finally, back with another post, and this time, it is not just a ride post; routine mechanical maintenance and preventative stuff have also been done.

I hadn't really taken the bike out since Jan apart from the one time I had to get the PUC updated and that was barely a 5 km round trip. But if you remember the last time in Jan when I rode back from Bangalore post a small jb turned big thanks to the broken coil pack, we had done a deep clean of the Throttle body, while the bike has become a lot fresher to ride I had started getting slight vibrations at the handlebars at highway cruising speeds, and this was an early reminder that the TB is starting to fall out of sync, how do I know this? Because this exact same symptom had presented last time and we had diagnosed it to be a TB sync issue, but we caught it a bit later when we had the hot idle issue as well.

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Anyways so I did not want to put more miles on the bike before I get it fixed, also the fact that the oil was very close to 6k km since the last change, and didn't want to ride around on 6k km old oil too. I know that it doesn't really cause any real damage and riding in the current state of the bike is not at all an issue, but when it comes to my bikes/cars, I get a bit nitpicky like this with mechanical stuff, aesthetic stuff I am known to be more laid back.

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The work was planned to be done in late Jan but again, life happens and it had to get postponed multiple times until finally, it happened over the weekend. And as usual, I was not riding alone to Cochin to my friend's place for the DIY job, Xaos636 joined me as he had some minor work to be done on his blade too, and another friend of his tagged along as he had unrelated work at Cochin, he was riding a super clean CBR650F with the facelift color scheme and headlights.

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Funnily enough, just 2 days before the ride was planned weather reports started showing rain forecast in Kerala, and then on the same day bhpian Deepfreak15 pinged me saying neil.jericho is in Bangalore and sure enough it rained that night, went to meet him(and a bunch of other bhpians, finally!) next day ie the day before my trip and yes it rained again. So I started thinking that this trip might again be affected, but that worry was soon put to rest because Neil confirmed he was going to be in Bangalore for the entire weekend, so naturally, no reason for me to worry about the rain, and as certain and un waving laws of physics are there was no rain in Cochin on Sunday when we made the ride. So the urban legend, rain follows neil.Jericho stands tall and true.

Now back to the main program. Reached my friend's place(Fmotors for those wondering) and we immediately set to work and got to dismantling the tank and the air box to gain access to the TB onto which the TB sync reference machine had to be connected.

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I am not dwelling into detail on the process as it has already been covered exhaustively in post #189,#190 (Review: My Yamaha R1 (WGP 50th Anniversary Edition)).

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While we were there we cleaned the air filter and kept it for drying out before recharging the filter and plonking it in for the re-assembly.

This is the first time I removed the airbox cover post installation of the bmc filter and yes, the difference from the K&N filter was night and day, with the K&N filter the pre and post-filtration part of the airbox was always dusty no matter what and this contributed to faster gunky deposit on the TB butterfly valves, but this time around the Post filtration section of the airbox was clean with no dust visible and the result was same for the butterfly valves of the TB, clean!


Look at how clean the post-filtration section of the airbox is!
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This confirmed that the K&N filter was not sealing properly courtesy of those jagged cuts it had on the base of the filter bezel material.

Next, we went on to remove the airbox and this is where we hit a snag, the airbox bolts had seized on pretty badly to the tb, took a bit of persuasion (no power tools or impact gun was used) to crack open the bolts using age-old conventional methods with handtools.

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Anyways, once we got that cracked loose we hooked the sync reference machine to the TB and loosely reassembled back the TB and fuel lines to start the TB sync test.
And sure enough, the proof is in the pudding, cylinders 1 and 4 were slightly off from the acceptable tolerances, cylinder 2 was alright while cylinder 3 is the reference pin so that is not to be messed with.


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Took us maybe 10 mins to calibrate all the TB banks to be within the acceptable limit and the major job was done and dusted.

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Next, the air filter was placed and seated properly and the airbox was buttoned up, this time we made sure to coat the airbox anchoring bolt threads with anti-seize so that we don't have a repeat of threads seizing again with the airbox.

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During this time while we had easy access to the fuel lines, and I had a long strip of silver heat reflective tape with me I went ahead and covered the primary and secondary fuel lines in them, I don't think it is going to give any benefit at all, but did it just for the heck of it.

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At least now I can prevent the fuel hose from getting heat cycled and wearing out till I get my brand new hoses from Yamaha India, if you are a regular here you'll get the joke.

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Since that was done we moved our attention to the coolant reservoir we noticed that the expansion tank was almost empty, which was weird as I had just topped up the can in Jan post my Bangalore-Kerala ride, upon removing the reservoir outer cover I noticed that the top rubber seal that covers the reservoir was half popped out (my bad) and I'm guessing it might have dried out when the bike was running at operating temp, but we did a thorough check for coolant leaks all around and we had no coolant mix issues either(engine oil even at 6k km had the reddish tint of the Motul 7100) so we just filled up the expansion tank again and made sure the rubber seal is seated correctly. It's good that we make it a habit to look over things like this because things like this can happen.

Next on the agenda was engine oil change, which was done promptly, did not take any photos, next we moved on to the brake bleeding part, the brakes had started to get slightly spongy and I could see from the brake fluid reservoir that the color of the fluid had indeed darkened a bit which are signs of moisture absorption.

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This time I went with the Motul RBF660 brake fluids which are a step above the Brembo brake fluids I used last time. People, in general, prefer this fluid above the brembos because this has a higher boiling point than the Brembo race fluid and has been vouched for by people who push their bikes and cars on track. We run this fluid on our VRS too and the improvement in brake pedal feel has been immense so it was a no-brainer for me to go with the Motul fluid this time. And not to mention the Motul fluid is a 500 ml can while the Motul is 250ml while costing the same.

P.S: I am in no way affiliated with Motul, I just like the products they offer and this is purely my opinion based on my usage/experience.

The final thing left was tightening the chain and it was a breeze thanks to the Lightech chain adjusters, done within 1 minute of cracking the rear axle but loose. The only difference this time was we actually had acquired a torque wrench that was rated for locking the rear axle nut. Up until now, we could not do it as we did not have a heavy-duty TW for it. And sure enough, we used it this time. The torque setting is 150nm and for the first time ever we torqued the nut to spec! I know it might sound silly to some but I nerd out on this pretty hard

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All done and ready for the ride back home the next morning
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In between all this finally caught up with bhpian Ani0404 in person and had a lovely long conversation on biking and about his recent acquisition of the epic Kawasaki Ninja 1000! Let me take this opportunity to congratulate him on his new steed!

I'll cover the rest of the ride in the next post as I have hit the 30 photos limit on this post.

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Old 20th March 2023, 21:09   #452
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Now that all the work was done, we were pretty spent and fell asleep almost as soon as our heads hit the pillow.

We had an early morning start to the ride back home and almost instantly the R1 hit 36k km on the ODO.

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We started getting sleepy again a few km in so we stopped for a fresh cup of coffee near the Airport road.

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At this point, Xaos636 and I decided to swap rides to make sure we tested out the changes done on each of our bikes and compare results to make sure it is not just some placebo effect in play.

Xaos636 on the R1 and me perched on the blade
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This is something we always do when we fix issues on our bikes. It has proved very valuable so far for us.

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The rest of the ride was pretty uneventful. So nothing much to add. Let me leave you guys with a few more pics we took en route.

Ending the post with a customary ODO km check.

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P.S.: This is something I have always wanted to do, I managed to get a half-decent audio clip of the Akrapovic while the bike is on load. Recorded it over the last 7 km of my trip before I reached home, it has a good mix of twisties and straights so felt right. I set the phone in Voice memo recording and placed it inside the Kreiga tail bag which was attached to the rear seat since it is just above the under-seat exhaust I think it managed to record a decent soundtrack. You can hear the overrun on deceleration and how good the bike sounds when you rev-match while downshifting. Do note I have a habit of doing clutchless upshift when riding with intent and always practice manual rev-matching.

Hope you guys enjoy it, had to convert it into video format to post here. Excuse the lack of visuals. Feedback is welcome.



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Minor update and some not-so-great news.

The R1 has added around 700ish more km onto the odo since the last update, thanks to another Palakkad Bangalore shuttle, and a few smaller rides around both Kerala and Bangalore.

But the bike has been largely sitting idle for the past 2 weeks, all thanks to most of the weekend getting used up by travel on 4 wheels. While I was away the R1 was being babysat by fellow bhpian @deepfreak15, here are a few pics of her when I went to pick her back up recently.

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Now to the not-so-great part, before dropping off the bike to be babysat I noticed that the coolant level in the overflow tank has dropped again when the bike is cold. This is the second/third(can't exactly remember) time this has happened post the Samco installation. And while the bike runs perfectly fine, does not overheat even in clogged traffic, and the oil window is clean(no mixing) and no coolant leaks anywhere.

This leaves me with 2 possibilities, the coolant is vaporizing inside the overflow tank or there are small air pockets in the system which need to be flushed out. So as always, I decided to drop off the bike with Karthick as Highlander since both the bike and I are in Bangalore anyways.

In the trusty hands of Karthick

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I had a few other small niggles also to take care of, the tank breather hose seems to be clogged as after riding in the hot sun opening the fuel cap releases a fuel mist with a loud pop! Which is dangerous if not careful. I have been careful so far to slowly open the cap and release the pressure in a controlled way to any startling moments at fuel pumps. And the oil filler cap o-ring has failed and I am having slight seepage around the filler cap area. All 5 min fixes.

But now comes the bad news, the R1 has a busted fork seal on the left fork.

Leaky fork

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During the last maintenance work I was doing when I changed the oil we did notice a bit of a ust formation around the left fork, with dust sticking onto the fork stanchion, I attributed it to the ride in slight rainy conditions, cleaned it off and went ahead, bhpian @deepfreak15 had also asked me about a small black ring on the stanchion when I dropped off the bike at his place and I brushed it off saying the same thing. But when I dropped off the bike at Highlander the teeny tiny leak it had at the point had already developed into a full-blown leak. So yeah, now that's something that needs to be addressed ASAP.

So for now the bike will be out of commission till the fork seals arrive. Will update the thread when any progress happens.

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So for now the bike will be out of commission till the fork seals arrive. Will update the thread when any progress happens.
Same same. Mine popped mostly because of the age of the seals and the bike being stationary for years. Tie a cloth at the bottom so the oil doesnít land up on the disc and then the pads.

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And hope youíre changing both the fork seals and try to change the dust seals as well if you havenít in the past.
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So for now the bike will be out of commission till the fork seals arrive. Will update the thread when any progress happens.
Your forks are possibly pitting. The seals won't last and it will break again. Try to fix the tube. Had the same issue with ex-FZ1.Either need to change the tubes or do some DIY. Since you mentioned rust, this pitting will be micro and not visible sometimes. You can try changing seals but if it breaks after some spirited riding, you should not rule out fork tubes.
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Same same. Mine popped mostly because of the age of the seals and the bike being stationary for years. Tie a cloth at the bottom so the oil doesnít land up on the disc and then the pads.
And hope youíre changing both the fork seals and try to change the dust seals as well if you havenít in the past.
Ah, that sucks. Busted fork seals are some of the most irritating roadblocks, fix is seemingly easy but turnaround is a bit much if the seals aren't in stock.
And yeah always replacing in pairs only, not worth taking the risk, and no it's not the OE from factory seals(dust/fork), last year I changed it to all balls racing replacement seals when the fork was being overhauled.

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Your forks are possibly pitting. The seals won't last and it will break again. Try to fix the tube. Had the same issue with ex-FZ1.Either need to change the tubes or do some DIY. Since you mentioned rust, this pitting will be micro and not visible sometimes. You can try changing seals but if it breaks after some spirited riding, you should not rule out fork tubes.

Hi VW2010, no pittings on either stanchion, I do routinely check for these when the bike is washed. This is just a seal blowing, I'd credit it to one of many potholes I have had to encounter recently. I don't think I mentioned rust anywhere too.
And I really hope I never have pittings, recoating stanchions is a wasted effort. At that point, I'll just double down and probably get an upgraded Ktech or Ohlins fork. It's a good thing the wallet doesn't need to agree to the dreams you can see.

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Busted fork seals, one annoying thing to look at. It gets worse when the oil starts flowing on to the brake disc and calipers, use fork seal covers to prevent some oil reaching the brakes. But I doubt if the fork seal covers will look good on sports bikes. Leave a review if someone used it and is using it on how it looks on the bike and how it helps.

Beautiful bike <3. The mighty R1.
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But I doubt if the fork seal covers will look good on sports bikes. Leave a review if someone used it and is using it on how it looks on the bike and how it helps.

Beautiful bike <3. The mighty R1.

Works absolutely fine! And i think even looks ok. Had them on my GSX-R and now on this RSV4.

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Busted fork seals, one annoying thing to look at. It gets worse when the oil starts flowing on to the brake disc and calipers, use fork seal covers to prevent some oil reaching the brakes. But I doubt if the fork seal covers will look good on sports bikes. Leave a review if someone used it and is using it on how it looks on the bike and how it helps.
Have heard from a few people who have been using them for a while that it's worth it. Might as well test it once is what I am thinking.

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Works absolutely fine! And i think even looks ok. Had them on my GSX-R and now on this RSV4.

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Congrats on the RSV4 Odeen, hope we get to see a thread on this beauty soon.

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Update time. So after all it was not (just?) a bad pothole that took out the seal on the left fork. Karthick called me a few days back and delivered the bad news, there was damage found on the left stanchion. A small dent seemingly is the reason why the fork was leaking oil (@VW2010 You called it right). But it's a tiny issue as of now and will only grow/ cause leaks more often for sure. So a new set of seals was ordered and was replaced.

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I will be getting a pair of the Kreiga fork covers to make sure I can extend the fork seal life. Will have to figure out something more permanent soon.

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Before the gunk was cleaned out to unclog the overflow/drain hole

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While at it we addressed the fuel tank vapor lock issue. As expected it was the overflow drain hose that had clogged. A healthy dose of degreaser and some compressed air did the trick.

Changed the fork oil this time. Last time I had gone with the Maxima fork oil, but this time chose to go with the Liqui Moly fork oil, which is seemingly heavier oil than the one we used by Maxima, but I can't recollect and I can't be bothered to go back and check so taking it as it is.

Collected the bike yesterday and set on a 250ish km long trip around the outskirts of Bangalore with fellow bhpian @wolfy but this time on his ZX10R a.k.a Miss. Isle (you can find his ownership review thread).

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Hope the pics give an idea of the fun we had riding early morning.

Ending the post with a customary ODO meter shot after today's ride.

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Small update

37,000km has rolled onto the odo.

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The bike has been running fine post the fork seal replacement. No further leaks from the fork so far. Hopefully, it'll remain like that in the future. Wishful thinking

Not getting a lot of seat time over the past few weeks, mainly because of travel commitments to which I cant take the R1, Hopefully, I can put on more miles in the future.

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