[Abhi_Automobile]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

BMW is postpaid, Honda is just prepaid.

Pay more for less performance, and then redeem 4k - 5k per service. There just are no physical vouchers handed out. That's all!

BMW could price the F900XR Pro at 11.5 lakhs despite being CBU unit, with Dynamic Electronic Suspension Adjustment. Honda has the CKD Assembly 2020 Africa Twin in its so-called 'Adventure Sports' format at 15.35 lakhs, and still had to skip its key feature - Showa Electronic Ride Adjustment. The BMW R1250GS, the elephant of the adventure segment and another CBU - is only 16.85 lakhs.

..and BMW is the premium brand, not only in India but world over. Just like it is in cars!

I personally think that 900XR is great value for money. The engine has rave reviews all over - and for someone who isn’t going to do off-roading, it makes total sense. None of these ADV are pretty as such, but the XR is one of the better looking ones, no?

[Venkatesh]

Review by Autocar India

https://youtu.be/W3Clxknrc7I

[Hamza123]

Somehow feel these won’t do too well here especially against the Kawasaki trio of the z900/Ninja 1000/Versys 1000. An in-line 4 is always the way to go. Also there is just that much you can charge for a bmw badge. Also in terms of service the bmw will chew you up and not even burp. A friends Bmw 310 cost him 8900 compared to my 7000 odd for the the ninja 650.

[GoBlue]

Originally Posted by Hamza123

Somehow feel these won’t do too well here especially against the Kawasaki trio of the z900/Ninja 1000/Versys 1000.

Appreciate your viewpoint. Thought of adding to it with a different perspective.

There are many who feel that the Ninja 1000 and Versys 1000 do not fit them so well.

The ergonomics of the Ninja 1000 have a little bit of a lean forward position with a slightly rear-set footpeg position. In the "sport-tourer" segment, the Ninja 1000 leans more towards the sporty side of the spectrum. The weight remains another concern for some. Although the weight of these bikes is not felt when the bike is on the move, when maneuvering at slow speeds or when the engine is off, it's not comfortable for everyone.

The Versys 1000 is simply too heavy/bulky to be considered an attractive option. Its relaxed upright riding position is a plus, but the weight makes it more suitable for taller/well-built riders. A bike needs to be ergonomically right for each rider's physique and not the other way round. We could say that a smaller, shorter but more-skilled rider can tame these big machines but that's an exception and not how a bike should be chosen during purchase. Dave Moss has brilliant advice to share with regard to the benefits of choosing a bike which fits a rider ergonomically than buying something which seems attractive on paper, but would overwhelm the rider in the real world.

The F900XR slices through many of the above disadvantages and provides an alternative that may appeal to some, if not many.

Originally Posted by Hamza123

An in-line 4 is always the way to go.

No sir, not everyone wants/likes an I4. Twins have a different character to them and the torque delivery is much superior. Triumph, Ducati, Honda and BMW twin engines (generalizing twin cylinder engine configurations for the sake of simplicity) have explosive power and amazing character. Many prefer these or even a 3 cylinder option over I4s - specifically for the torque delivery and the character.

If it were not for the Covid-19 crisis, I'd wager BMW would have seen good success with the F900XR (F900R, not as much).

IMO, BMW should be applauded for:
a. having created a precedent for competitive pricing (F900XR)
b. having created a totally new product which offers the positives of the S1000XR in a more affordable package (F900XR).

The F900 XR is a welcome addition to the sport-tourer segment, F900R for those who do not feel inclined towards the KTM Duke 790.

[ethanhunt123]

Originally Posted by Hamza123

An in-line 4 is always the way to go.

Thats quite a statement to make - especially for a ADV bike. Any ideas on most succesful ADV touring bikes and their engine configuration ?

[kozhissery]

Originally Posted by Hamza123

Somehow feel these won’t do too well here especially against the Kawasaki trio of the z900/Ninja 1000/Versys 1000. An in-line 4 is always the way to go.

I beg to differ on this. I4 engines are great if you can redline, but twins have better low-end torque which is needed when going off-beaten path.

[highlander]

Originally Posted by Hamza123

Somehow feel these won’t do too well here especially against the Kawasaki trio of the z900/Ninja 1000/Versys 1000.

Most adv tourers have engines with better low end torque. The vast majority are twins(V/L/parallel) and a few have Boxer/V4/Triple. The only exceptions are Versys1000 and S1000XR which come with i4 and even these have some changes to engine to have more torque lower in rev-range as compared to their donor engine/bike (N1000/S1000RR).

Originally Posted by GoBlue

b. having created a totally new product which offers the positives of the S1000XR in a more affordable package (F900XR).

The credit for this product goes to Yamaha for coming up with the Tracer 900/GT. BMW created F900XR to counter the Tracer.

[pavanmadhini]

Got a call from BMW Motorrad from Hyderabad and asked for the price sheet just out of curiosity.

Was shocked to see a handling charge of Rs.40,000 and an insurance cost of 1.2 lakhs!

Am also wondering how a 10.05 lakh bike has insurance cost of Rs.78,000 while 11.5 lakh bike has insurance cost of Rs.120,000.

Instead of all these hidden costs, they might as well have priced the bike at 12.5 lakhs.

[ethanhunt123]

Originally Posted by pavanmadhini

Got a call from BMW Motorrad from Hyderabad and asked for the price sheet just out of curiosity.

Was shocked to see a handling charge of Rs.40,000 and an insurance cost of 1.2 lakhs!

Am also wondering how a 10.05 lakh bike has insurance cost of Rs.78,000 while 11.5 lakh bike has insurance cost of Rs.120,000.

Instead of all these hidden costs, they might as well have priced the bike at 12.5 lakhs.

Insurance quote from the dealer doesnt matter - just buy it directly. Dealer will never be able to match direct quotes.

[hareshjethwani]

Originally Posted by pavanmadhini

Instead of all these hidden costs, they might as well have priced the bike at 12.5 lakhs.

They have shown TCS .75% for the F900R which is under 10 Lac. Isn't TCS supposed to be collected for purchases above 10 Lac?

[pavanmadhini]

Got the prices from BMW Chennai as well, and they have quoted an insurance of 50k and no handling charges either. On-road price is more than a lakh lesser.

[whencut86]

Originally Posted by pavanmadhini

Got the prices from BMW Chennai as well, and they have quoted an insurance of 50k and no handling charges either. On-road price is more than a lakh lesser.

I think the road tax in TN is 8%. So the Road Tax should be in 80K - 1Lakh range for these variants. I see a good 40K-50K increase in the charges mentioned. So that is the handling charge hidden along with road tax.

[VaidhiR]

I drive the F800R here in Germany. The 2nd generation. From 2016 - 800cc, 90hp.



I can honestly say that its a gem of a machine. I plan on writing a review of my 4.5 years with it. I will get it done now that this machine is officially launched in India.

[shajufx]

Are there any owners here ? Love to connect. I booked the R today and expecting a delivery by Valentines Day. Dealer told me only 5 are delivered in Bangalore, so it may be a rare breed with heavy road presence. Test ride itself attracted a lot of people looking from every angle at the signals. I am sure, its going to be exclusive

[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by shajufx

I booked the R today and expecting a delivery by Valentines Day.

Congratulations shajufx!

Please do post photographs of your delivery experience when you get the bike. Meanwhile, would love to hear your thoughts on the test ride before an ownership thread (hopefully) in due course.

Thanks in advance and all the best.

Cheers