[b16h22]

Originally Posted by amyntor

Looks like today's not the day they are going to launch the new 390 line. I hope they prove me wrong.

Don't see any 390s. So IBW it is, I guess. Last time they launched the first gen ADV there, iirc.

[surjaonwheelz]

890 Duke R 14.5L
890 Adv R 15.8L

1290 Super Adv S 22.7L

1390 Super Duke R 22.96L

Is India ready for this madness? Are the riders skilled enough to handle these?

Happy riding,
surjaonwheelz

[Ratan Prabhu]

Overpriced bikes. Specially the 890 Duke R.
How can it compete with Z900 which costs 5 lacs lesser ?

[b16h22]

Originally Posted by Ratan Prabhu

Overpriced bikes. Specially the 890 Duke R.
How can it compete with Z900 which costs 5 lacs lesser ?

Apart from the 890 Duke R which is quite overpriced and can't match the thailand made Triumphs and Z, the rest are in pretty much the expected ballpark.

It's the 890 ADV R we are getting and not the S. It's a very serious bit of kit and very off-road oriented. It's right in that Tiger900/GS900 category.

The big 1290 and 1390 are on par with the likes of the other Europeans like BMW and Ducati. In fact the SF V4 starts at 25L & S is 28L. So the Superduke 1390 R is priced very well. and I don't know why people expect Bajaj-KTM levels of pricing from a premium European brand.

[hikozaru]

Originally Posted by b16h22

Apart from the 890 Duke R which is quite overpriced and can't match the thailand made Triumphs and Z, the rest are in pretty much the expected ballpark.

It's the 890 ADV R we are getting and not the S. It's a very serious bit of kit and very off-road oriented. It's right in that Tiger900/GS900 category.

The big 1290 and 1390 are on par with the likes of the other Europeans like BMW and Ducati. In fact the SF V4 starts at 25L & S is 28L. So the Superduke 1390 R is priced very well. and I don't know why people expect Bajaj-KTM levels of pricing from a premium European brand.

Sure but is this pricing with the 'tech pack'? Not sure if they should have brought out the Evo version too. Versus the SFv4. at least modern Ducatis are more reliable, faster, lighter, v4 engine, have motogp pedigree, don't have the KTM squid tag. If I absolutely wanted a high revving v2 engine, the new SFv2 should be cheaper

On a related note, I am surprised that KTM is launching their competition dirt bikes before the 690SMC R. 890R feels like a stock clearance sale and with cam controversies I doubt it will sell even at striple pricing. Wack strategy

[subincb]

Compared to F900 GS, F900 XR and R1300 GS it's priced high. The BMWs in India in comparison with the international market has lots of add-on accessories as standard equipment, which makes it more economical.

[VijayAnand1]

Originally Posted by surjaonwheelz

890 Duke R 14.5L
890 Adv R 15.8L

1290 Super Adv S 22.7L

1390 Super Duke R 22.96L

Is India ready for this madness? Are the riders skilled enough to handle these?

Happy riding,
surjaonwheelz

I'm not sure if the riders are ready for this, but sure enough India is ready to welcome to these big ADVs. This segment of the motorcycling scene is super-heating in fact far better than the coveted supersports segment. With KTM having such revealing liveries and a legacy to back it up, in the right hands, put to right use, it sure enough is fun like no other. Still a nice to say the least, as the pricing is still far fetched for the everyday enthusiast.

The torque rush from these machines is something to fall prey for, especially the 990s and above, if you're all in for that torque twisting action. That's not all, the ADVs are a breed like no other, they're simply the amphibian breed of motorcycles and that's become sort of a life-style riding habit now.

My-oh-my! Such brilliant time for the Indian motorcycling scene isn't it. If we don't embrace it now, it's never a second chance for us.

Originally Posted by hikozaru

890R feels like a stock clearance sale and with cam controversies I doubt it will sell even at striple pricing. Wack strategy

To this I wholeheartedly agree! The controversies are not limited to the 890s, it's wide-spread including the 790, 890, 901 Huskies and to an extent with the 1390s also. I sincerely would hope that India's gravitas for KTM were not to become another gullible and deluding dump yard for QC rejects.


Cheers!
VJ

[Nilesh5417]

KTM is probably dumping the 890 which has anyways been replaced by 990 at least in Europe & Asian markets already from what i know. 890 was plagued with multiple issues (cam cover / shafts, thermostat, electricals, warped discs) from the very beginning and most of the forums report persistent issues that seem to originate from not-so-robust design. I just hope people are aware and ready to accept issues. More importantly, I hope KTM in India is gearing up to provide required a.s.s.

The bigger bikes are good though. Guess can't expect aggressive pricing from KTM since these are CBU.

I cant help it and always wonder if launches in Q4 are stock clearance from global markets. It was almost this same time period back in 2019 or 20 when I think the 790 duke was also launched.

[Sudarshan42]

That 1290 ADV headlight looks bigger and brighter than my future. Does this even need a windscreen with those stadium floodlights attached to the front?

That 1390 Super Duke looks incredible though, straight out of a Transformers movie. Hope they've fixed the camshaft issues on the 890/990.

[SuperMane]

As someone who owns a Duke 390 from the day it was made available, I had waited for this day. But I cannot think of myself tolerating the harsh suspension as I was able to back in the day. I wish they had included the 1390 SuperDuke GT in this line-up as this has become by dream ride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKQkVJ19ePs

[Flyingdutchman]

Originally Posted by Nilesh5417

It was almost this same time period back in 2019 or 20 when I think the 790 duke was also launched.

Yes, The discounts were raining on the D790 back in March 2020. Dealers were quoting 7.5 OTR or even 5.99 L Ex showroom in some cases. But that was a peculiar case. Deadline for BS4 was approaching, Stock was not moving, Entire world was on the brink of Lockdown. They had to sell the bikes at any cost. Many showroom guys registered bikes onto their own names and later resold to customers. Some of the lucky ones managed to get hands on one of those machines and sold it again after 2-3 years at same price. Although not as reliable as Z900, that bike has some serious punch. Torque is so addictive and Power delivery is so much fun.

But I don't think something like that will happen with D890. Discounts will be there down the line but not that high.

[Deamon0508]

Could be just me, but I somehow don't think Indian customers willing to shell out that kind of money would buy a KTM over Triumph or Kawasaki. I somehow think that the popularity of KTMs in the sub-500cc class has set the branding narrative altogether. Even the current crop of 390 owners, while they can connect with owning an 890 which feels like a 390 turned up to 11, I doubt many of them would actually put the money down to buy an 890 over a Street Triple, or even a Z900. But then again, I have been wrong on many accounts, this could be another.

[Shonith]

Originally Posted by Deamon0508

Could be just me, but I somehow don't think Indian customers willing to shell out that kind of money would buy a KTM over Triumph or Kawasaki. I somehow think that the popularity of KTMs in the sub-500cc class has set the branding narrative altogether. Even the current crop of 390 owners, while they can connect with owning an 890 which feels like a 390 turned up to 11, I doubt many of them would actually put the money down to buy an 890 over a Street Triple, or even a Z900. But then again, I have been wrong on many accounts, this could be another.

As a bs4 390 owner when i bought my bike back 2019 i thought i would keep it for a period of 3 years and then progress to something bigger. At the time ducati’s monster and hypermotard felt like the most natural progression. But as years went by i realised 390 itself had more than what i as a rider was capable of extracting from it (on the road). So the dream of progressing to something bigger, the way i see, is probably not going to happen. Even if it does i think i will be fooling myself thinking i have got a better bike which i can ride better. When in fact i would have increased the skill (that i have)vs what the bike is capable of doing quotient.

One thing that stands out with ktms is that it revs quickly and drops quickly (due to the light flywheel) making it fun in narrow roads. The z900s engine lacks this character so it feels much different to the ktms and also the increased weight doesn't help it. I am not sure about the street triple though.

[loki]

What a time to be a big bike lover in India ! The more the merrier.

Having said that, both the 890R and 1290 Super Adv feel like stock clearance when the 990 and 1390 platforms are already on sale.

With enough research, prospective buyers should avoid the 890 due to the cam issues. Which means huge discounts down the line.

The 1290 Adventure is a beast and should find takers. Especially those who find 1250GSs as too common/ vanilla.

In my dream bike garage, the 1390 SuperDuke would be THE super naked. Looks be damned (as if someone punched it in the face at birth). The 450EXC is intriguing as well - it will outperform almost anything offroad. But looks to be a bit expensive

[pb_1019]

Pricing is high, but it was kind of expected since it is a CBU

The 890 R could have been priced a bit better given the pricing of the Triumphs and Kawasakis sold here in India

But I am glad that KTM took the bold step to bring in the big bikes to our shores, it was long awaited, sure there are not many buyers for such expensive machines but there's a niche audience to cater to and it's been growing day by day.

We have the 200-400cc engines bike booming in the country ever since Honda, KTM and Bajaj themselves bought out the bikes, wouldn't be surprised to see it rise to 600-800cc market, if they take the leap of faith and manufacture the 600-800cc lineup here, I'm pretty sure KTM could reap big benefits from it

Having said, with KTM bringing there bikes to our shores, I'm pretty sure Husqvarna would be doing the same, that 1390 Super Duke R looks mad sexy especially in black. Oh God if only I buy it!