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View Poll Results: Which Rs. 25 lakh SUV would you choose?
Toyota Fortuner 168 29.22%
Ford Endeavour 376 65.39%
Chevrolet Trailblazer 3 0.52%
Mitsubishi Pajero Sport 24 4.17%
Hyundai Santa Fe 4 0.70%
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Old 19th May 2019, 21:14   #91
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So round 2 has happened and I also took a TD of the Innova AT ZX. That was a revelation. More on that later.

Another important point now is that round 2 with my wife as passenger didn't have the Endeavour as a contender because of the lax attitude of not one but 2 dealers in Dehradun.
One doesn't have the courtesy to inform me that whether they have the vehicle for TD or not or if they are going to be late for the TD. They have no respect for a person's time.
The other dealer which had provided the vehicle for TD the first time now does not have time for a second TD.

The vehicle is available only on confirmed order basis. And with a waiting period of 1.5 to 2 months. Kudos to thecompany who's endeavour is selling less than half the numbers of the fortuner month on month.

Anyways. The Toyota dealership was very courteous. Had extensive TDs of the Innova and Fortuner. Included an offroad track that we frequently go on. We meaning my wife, I and our storme.
The vehicles are available readily with stock available in a few colours. We prefer while and silver till now. We saw the new interiors as well. While they look bright, both the innova and fortuner will be a pain to maintain as pointed out by my wife.

So first the Innova. This vehicle truly was a revelation. What a super comfy vehicle. It is a no nonsense travel partner. It is comfortable. It is quick. It a spacey. It is simple. What a brilliant vehicle. Infact it is so comfortable that my wife initially proposed we should buy an innova and a thar for my offroad jaunts. Ofcourse it changed later.

The back seat is a true revelation with humongous space and comfort. Overall a must buy for anyone needing a mile munchery be it self driven or chauffeured. And we're getting one for sure.

Now the fortuner. We drove it on the exact circuit we follow when we take a break and enjoy driving. It covers the whole city from the outside. With fast stretches as well as congested roads and an offroad section as well.

On the outset the ride on the fortuner is firm. Much more than the comfy innova. At low speed the road undulations are transferred. The speed breakers are felt but are muted/softened by the suspension. Now the good part was that I had read on multiple ownership reviews that it flattens the roads at speed. I tried this and this is actually true. It truly is a flat ride at speed. It doesn't sway, doesn't pitch too much and ride flat on undulating and roads with patchwork and broken patchwork. Very interesting this was getting. There are a set of idiotic speedbreakers on this circuit. Each is a set of around 10 bumps and bad ones. Went slow and it was uncomfortable. Went fast and it was excellent. Best part is that the rear doesn't loose out when going fast over these speed bumps which I have felt on the storme some times.

The offroad section was what we were waiting for. It was comfortable offroad. Confident and flattened the fast offroad section with aplomb. The mechanical grip is amazing and overall the vehicle is a confidence booster in offroad sections. The steering conveyed the grip levels very well and I simply loved the heavy steering and its feel.

The eco mode makes the vehicle very smooth for an easy driving experience. I tried the S mode with the paddle shifters and the driving experience was very good in a relatively fast moving traffic area with next to zero lag in the driveline.
The power mode makes the throttle very responsive and in S mode it makes the fortuner a point and shoot car in the mountain roads.

Overall I felt the vehicle very capable and responsive to all kinds of driving I wanted to experience be it calm and relaxed or responsive.

The fortuner got a thumbs up from the wife in the offroad section itself. Rest she was very happy with the overall drive and has given a go ahead for the purchase.

She too was very annoyed by the behaviour of Ford. It was a bit behind the fortuner in the first time and the behaviour of the dealerships has been very unfavourable.

I know a number of you will say that I shouldn't let go off a vehicle due to the dealership behaviour but trust me i know how important dealership behaviour is when it comes to maintenance of vehicle over years of service. Toyota has been sturdy and dealership response till now has been pretty standard and acceptable whether I would have bought a fortuner or an ecosport. Infact 2 ecosport buying families were at the dealership when we went to check out the new interiors and they were being attended equally well.

In the absence of a TD vehicle I showed the endeavour of a courteous neighbor. Didn't drive it but my wife didn't like the exterior shape of the car and neither the interiors. Maybe due to the negative feelings which have now developed due to these 2 erring dealers.

I hope someone from Ford is reading this and the dealers are made to learn to handle customers. Especially in this downturn where each vehicle sale counts. Trust me. I know. My staff runs after each 2 wheeler customer and here I am asking for a TD of an endeavour and they aren't interested. not one but two. Maybe this behavior and attitude runs in the company itself.

So finally the decision is made.

On another note what is the standard air pressure recommended for the fortuner. The staff says some 36 and 35 rear and front. Maybe this was the reason for the harsh ride.
What do the fortuner owners here generally keep the pressure at?
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We prefer while and silver till now. We saw the new interiors as well. While they look bright, both the innova and fortuner will be a pain to maintain as pointed out by my wife.
So finally the decision is made.
Congrats, You can opt for Pearl white, it looks good but if it's too common then do check the grey colour. I have not seen the light colour interiors but can imagine. Tan looks nice and with White exteriors, it should look good.


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what is the standard air pressure recommended for the fortuner. The staff says some 36 and 35 rear and front.
30-32 should be good. I hope you have gone through ownership threads, like

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ich-t-ko2.html (The Brute-Fort: My 2016 Toyota Fortuner 4x4 M/T, Now upgraded with BF Goodrich T/A KO2)
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So in all probability the ride will be better than what we felt yesterday. Maybe I'll take round 3 while I go to do the documentation.

And yes colour confirmation will have to done. That's another task. I'm opting for the removal of options approach. So super white, black and brown are out. Rest need to be evaluated.
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On another note what is the standard air pressure recommended for the fortuner. The staff says some 36 and 35 rear and front. Maybe this was the reason for the harsh ride.
What do the fortuner owners here generally keep the pressure at?
IIRC Toyota recommends 29 psi for Fortuner.
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IIRC Toyota recommends 29 psi for Fortuner.

Revelation!!

Don't know why the dealership had made it 35 front and 36 rear. So I had them set the tire pressure first thing yesterday morning and then asked them to come over in the afternoon.


And the ride is much more relaxed. Took it to some hilly terrain to check any loss of handling. Nope, non so ever. And it has become a more pliant steam roller when driving slightly fast over broken roads.
So I'd really suggest all to keep a close eye on the pressure you're running in your own or the TD fortuners. This vehicle is very sensitive to air pressure.
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How much would changing disc and pads of an endeavour or fortuner cost for rear 2 wheels? The car is brilliant and great to look at but aren't they real expensive to maintain? If you look at say something related to AC or engine components it would be even higher.
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Revelation!!

This vehicle is very sensitive to air pressure.
Most modern vehicles are!! Good point though
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How much would changing disc and pads of an endeavour or fortuner cost for rear 2 wheels? The car is brilliant and great to look at but aren't they real expensive to maintain? If you look at say something related to AC or engine components it would be even higher.
Actually, the routine maintenance for Fortuner is really not pinching, and they are built real sturdy.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...s-service.html (Behind the scenes: Toyota demonstrates its customer service initiatives (including Express Service)) : this article is a good one.

I have the previous gen 3L Fortuner. The front or rear brake pad set costs about 6.5K, dont recall exact pricing.
Toyota's branded engine oil - 10w30 semi-synthetic costs about 2400, whereas their fully synthetic 10w40 costs about 6500, the oil filter about 700 bucks. Btw, as per Fortuner manual, oil change every 10K KM, irrespective of semi-synth or fully-synth oil used. Fortuner's 5K service is just a small one - covers basic checks & washing, however 10K service is a bit bigger one where few more checks and oil change etc is done.

Such costs for the current model are also just a bit more. At the ASC they have a public facing chart (so customer can clearly see it) showing costs of all typical services for each vehicle. For ref see THIS pic from above referred thread. Overall, the maintenance cost is really VFM for car of this size & cost.

I agree some components (not from any routine phase) are real expensive.
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I TDed a Fortuner and an Endeavour. I must say I prefer the Fortuner for driving. I have one question about this whole BS4/BS6 diesel thing though. If I buy a Fortuner today, will I be able to use it with BS6 diesel when it comes out.
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If I buy a Fortuner today, will I be able to use it with BS6 diesel when it comes out.
You can certainly use it even after the BS 6 kicks in just like cars with BS 3 are still plying on the road. You car use the car till the time it's registration is valid.
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Hey everyone, my uncle wants to buy a Fortuner and everybody is sold on the looks of the car. But after taking a test drive, the ride comfort was a big downer for all of us. I suggested everyone the Endeavour as it's a more accomplished vehicle but the Fortuner seems to have a special place in everybody's hearts.

Suggestions for good aftermarket suspensions that would improve the ride and handling are welcome and so are any other options in the price range. I suggested uncle to wait for the new XUV500 and Tata Buzzard but he just loves the Fortuner too much.
Buying pre-owned is a big no for him.

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Why don't you make your uncle TD the endeavour and then decide if they still like fortuner more!
Its ride is more plush and has few more gizmos than the Fortuner.

Also why also not try out the New Hyundai Tucson? If not out of contention due to some reason, will suggest you to TD Tucson as well.

If he still likes the Fortuner more, then go ahead with the Fortuner as it is him who will be using the car and using the car you love somehow makes you ignore some of the shortcomings and love what it has to offer as a whole package.

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A little more info regarding what is the primary requirement for your uncle in the car, would help get you more properly directed suggestions.

If ride comfort is a very important aspect, then why not look at Sedans ? There are various excellent choices in Sedans in the price range of a fortuner, which can give significantly better ride comfort, power and luxury.

And Fortuner has been on our roads for several years without much change in looks. Personally, I am no more excited too look at fortuner when it goes by. The interiors have also been in the market for a reasonable while.

It surely is an off-roader and has a solid road presence though.

If it has to be a SUV, then endeavour is a direct head on competitor for the Fortuner. Tiguan from VW is a good vehicle as well.
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If it is a matter of heart Vs. the mind, the heart obviously will over power everything.

However, after taking an extensive test drive of the Fortuner, I went ahead and bought the 2020 Endeavour.

Trust me. The ride quality will bother you more than everything else if you are a distance driver and have older people in the family. With around 2 people in the Fortuner, it'll bounce around even more in comparison to when you have all the seats occupied.

A friend of mine vomited 3 times during a 200 odd kilometre journey a week ago. They told me that they felt tossed around when the roads got patchy and the car just wasn't ready to settle and there were constant vibrations.

When compared feature to feature, the Endeavour wins hands down especially the comfort department. You actually feel like riding on a soft, velvety mattress even over horrible roads.

Other than the rear exterior looks and maybe a little on the front (although if you get the raptor grill installed on the endeavour, it looks astonishing), the Fortuner doesn't trump too much over the Endeavour.

And the view of the dashboard is actually horrible (sorry, but just my personal opinion). You'll feel a lot more upmarket and plush with the dashboard view of the Endeavour.

Nonetheless, both are very capable cars. The psychological trust factor of the Indian buyer clearly rests with the Toyota. But once again, if you're willing to spend close to 40 Lacs on a car, you'd want it to win in every aspect, comfort being the most essential one.

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Hey everyone, my uncle wants to buy a Fortuner and everybody is sold on the looks of the car.
Seems to me that any car suggested by you even though better than the mighty Fortuner it won't pull the strings in his heart. Therefore it's best to get the Fortuner which in itself is a great product.

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