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Isuzu MU-X 3.0L 4x4 A/T 9 3.25%
Mahindra Alturas G4 2.2L 4x4 A/T 19 6.86%
Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4L AWD A/T Petrol 3 1.08%
Honda CR-V 1.6L iDTec AWD A/T 7 2.53%
Ford Endeavour 3.2L 4x4 A/T Titanium 157 56.68%
Toyota Fortuner 2.8L Sigma 4 A/T 49 17.69%
Skoda Kodiaq Style 2.0L TDi 4x4 DSG 33 11.91%
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Old 3rd January 2020, 14:41   #76
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BUT, I just checked today, and the 'On the Road Price' quoted to me for the Isuzu MUX 4x4 in Noida is Rs. 31.5 Lakhs, while for the Ford Endeavour 3.2, it is 40.5 Lakhs on the road in Noida.

I am tilting towards waiting it out.

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I will suggest to go for MUX right now 'make hay till sun shines'.
Those additions to upcoming model of MUX are really deal breaker? i dont think so.
Plus the amount you are going to save in price difference is not a small amount.
Isuzus are really tough vehicles to break. fill it, shut it and forget it.
A simple no nonsense Japanese technology. You cant go wrong with this vehicle.
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I am BS-IV MU-X 4x4 owner with just 10k completed on ODO. Of these 10k kms, almost 7-8k are on highways. If your usage is primarily highways, may it be pleasure or work, I don't think there is more bang for buck 7-seater SUV.

Most team-bhpians may disagree when they compare "listed" price with features offered. But but but most team-bhpians ignore the discounts offered by Isuzu. If you are looking for no nonsense SUV with fill it Shut it attitude, this is best SUV. Mind you, it will not give you any bragging rights compared to ford endeavour 3.2 titanium plus but then you are literally getting 85-95% of car for 75% of money (30L vs 40L). Compared to any other car in its class including ford 2.2 and fortuner, you are just saving considerable amount on an equivalent car! Some may say whats the difference when you are spending 30L but heck you can buy a VW polo GT with left over amount!!

Does 6-speed matter - absolutely not, at least to me. For whatever its worth, I have owned many ATs from a 4-speed to a 9-speed to an EV in the US. So I can may be (humbly) claim that I know my ATs. And to me, MU-X 5-speed is perfectly mated to the 3-liter. There is no hesitation in any gear at any speed.

Does many missing features matter - this is tricky question. And I think only the owner of a specific car can answer it.
For me they don't matter because I primarily think from ease of ownership and longevity. But i have seen many people (including my wife) who think features are more important than say reliability.

So its question of that 15-5% of the car vs 25% additional cost. And only the person who is putting the money can answer it. For me, I would think why would people spend 1C on a Mercedes GLS (cos I cant afford it) when its no better than a Endeavour 3.2L on indian road but there are clearly many people who think otherwise.

Edit: BS-IV vs BS-VI: I would say buy what ever is cheaper (in absolute terms) i.e. BS-IV. It is not like BS-VI cars are going to be smoother or more efficient or any other thing that would be financially beneficial from ownership perspective. BS-VI is needed from a society perspective (go-green yada yada) but its just additional burden on each individual pockets. So again go-green vs pocket friendly. Nothing else.

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I am BS-IV MU-X 4x4 owner with just 10k completed on ODO
Thanks for sharing your perspective, Comrade I agree that MUX is arguably the most VFM full-size SUV available off the shelf today. Would you mind sharing details on the model, on-road price you paid, and of course some pics?

Edit: I have heard some concerns around turbo-lag at lower RPMs with the MUX. Any thoughts/feedback there?

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I can't agree more to whatever you have said in your entire post, Comrade. And thanks a lot for sharing your perspective as an owner, especially one who has owned and driven ATs (because I have never owned or driven an AT before).

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but heck you can buy a VW polo GT with left over amount!!

Does many missing features matter - this is tricky question. And I think only the owner of a specific car can answer it.

And only the person who is putting the money can answer it.

I had exactly these thoughts in my mind when deciding to go for MUX. Though I have not booked the Car yet, I maybe doing it in the coming week. The offer from another dealer has become even better. Now I am being offered INR 30.8 Lakhs, On-road Price in Noida, which is almost 10 Lakhs less to the Endeavour 3.2. If I choose to go for their display model, the price become INR 30.3 Lakhs.

And as to my needs, the MUX has everything that I need. The additional bits which matter to me, and which are clear positives over Endeavour being:

1. Best in Class 3rd Row seats.

2. Warranty of 5 Years / 1.5 Lakh Kms overall plus Maintenance Package for 5 years where one pays only for "wear and tear parts" and even the Oil change is paid by ISUZU, which then makes the ownership costs very less as compared to the other SUVs in this category. An additional 3 Years / 50000 Kms Warranty on Power-train.

3. The underbody protection that MUX comes with. Subject to correction, I think no other car (definitely not the Ford) comes with this kind of protection.

4. Kitna deti hai - I know many say that this does not matter to a lot of buyers from this category. But for whatever its worth, it matters a bit to me. I am told the mileage of MUX in the City will always be in double digits i.e., over 10 and 12-13 on Highways. Even if this is not correct and the mileage is less than this, it won't be a deal-breaker for me, as the 10 Lakh advantage outweighs (to me) all the "extras" that the Ford 3.2 comes with. Can you share your perspective / experience on mileage here.
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Can't really go wrong with any of the cars in the list except the Outlander. Each has it's strengths and have seen very happy Fortuner owners, Endeavour owners and MUX owners too.
On the other hand, I was seriously considering the Outlander
My ideal next car would be a 5+2 soft-roader (should have good on-road manners with some ability to take on bad roads), a petrol driven one which gives decent FE.
Mitsubishi cars are really well built and are reliable. Fact that the Outlander comes with an NA engine and a CVT makes it extremely interesting proposition in the long run.
Since I have lived with a pre-owned Chevy Forester (which is discontinued long back and the company has packed off) for 9 years, owning a new Outlander seems like a breeze!
Only problem is that the interior looks really dated and the car doesn't come with some of the latest gizmos.
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Have voted for the Ford Endeavour 3.2L 4x4 AT Titanium simply because I have it and it ticks all the boxes. Must say it's a pleasure to drive on highways, is a family car for touring and all good for occasional off roading. With the electronically assisted power steering, the steering feels very light in high traffic and hence no fatigue in driving this beast.
This vehicle will definitely win the voting poll here.
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Would you mind sharing details on the model, on-road price you paid, and of course some pics?

Edit: I have heard some concerns around turbo-lag at lower RPMs with the MUX. Any thoughts/feedback there?
There aren't any variants on the MU-X. You just choose exterior color and 2WD/4WD. I chose white 4WD. On-road price in Andhra Pradesh was 29.4L in August before Isuzu announced the 2L discount & additional warranty on BSIV cars. I usually don't take pics of my cars. Sorry.

It does have some hesitation due to turbolag starting from standstill but I would not call it sluggish. I used to feel it initially, even noted in one of the posts on this thread. But I think I figured out the throttle input, and it doesn't bother me anymore after getting used to the car.

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I am told the mileage of MUX in the City will always be in double digits i.e., over 10 and 12-13 on Highways..... Can you share your perspective / experience on mileage here.
I think it's bit overstated by the overenthusiastic sales person. I get 8-9 kmpl in the city and 10-11 kmpl on the highway. My average efficiency stands at around 9.7 kmpl (as stated by car MID) after 10k kms.

Some more points to add:

Suspension: I find MU-X suspension to be very sorted on broken roads. Only other cars I have experienced for extended time are my dad's 1st gen Innova and Crysta. And everyone in the family finds MU-X suspension to be better than Crysta's.

Infotainment: MU-X's infotainment is very archiaic although the sound output is good. I primarily listen to music from a USB drive but this system was not at all to my satisfaction. I ordered a chinese android system from aliexpress, and did a DIY within first month to replace the infotainment. I kept stock backup cam functionality. I am happy with results.

Safety: The car is very family friendly including access to third row. I really like that this car has ISOFIX options for both my kids' car seats.

Service: I only had one visit to service center but the experience was NOT very "premium". I was only 30L SUV owner among tens of 10L commercial pickup truck drivers. Almost all Vcross and MUX vehicles were brought in by drivers and not by owners. So there was not even proper waiting room or coffee or water etc but those things didn't really matter to me. I just dropped off the car at service advisor and took a uber. I went back once the car was ready.

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On the other hand, I was seriously considering the Outlander
Outlander is a gem of a car given your needs, especially since it is coming in as a CBU (topnotch quality) and with recent discounts, is good VFM. However, being a Mitsubishi owner myself, I can say for sure that authorized service is pathetic to say the least - greedy, unethical buggers just waiting to lynch customers!! While I have been able to successfully maintain my 8 yr old Pajero at a good FNG, I am sure you would not want to do that with a brand new Outlander So, please consider this aspect before taking a decision.

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Now I am being offered INR 30.8 Lakhs, On-road Price in Noida, which is almost 10 Lakhs less to the Endeavour 3.2. If I choose to go for their display model, the price become INR 30.3 Lakhs.
That is a real good deal. Just go for it if you have made up your mind for an MU-X. However, I'd suggest staying away from display models just to save 50k.

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There aren't any variants on the MU-X
Am aware. My bad - wanted to know the year

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It does have some hesitation due to turbolag starting from standstill but I would not call it sluggish
That is what I have heard as well. I wish they had an M/T option as well.
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Bumping up this thread a year from the original post.

The market slump notwithstanding, there have been an onslaught of SUV launches the past year. But the launches have been restricted to the meaty 5 seater segment with Kia hitting a home run on Seltos debut.

The only addition in the D2 premium SUV segment was perhaps the Scout variant from Skoda and the rest of the points in the thread remain relevant.

Interesting to note that the stocks of the pre BS6 variants have been sold off the shelves mostly leaving very little choice for those who played the waiting game a little too long.

Now the wait begins for the post BS6 era and lets see what it brings to our shores.
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I voted for Fortuner because:
1. Endeavour 3.2 wont be available after march end and its not spacious on the inside especially for all seven occupants
2. The only serious complaint about the Fortuner is in ride quality department and lack of desirable features like sunroof and high quality ICE, otherwise the product doesnt disappoint anywhere. It has its usual strengths like Toyota realibility, after sales service and stellar resale value.
3. BS4 Isuzu MuX in its current specs is desirable if available at INR 30-31 Lakh OTR not beyond that.
4. 2020 Pajero sport would have been my first preference as it is feature packed as well as very comfy and overall best in class as per australian reviews but mitsubishi isnt interested in selling the car here it seems.

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