Scorpio or Tavera

jigbarai · 13th October 2009, 08:34

+1 to Innova, if he is looking to buy one right away.
If he can wait, there is supposedly a new Toyota MPV coming in. (What is the budget btw?)

If strictly from the above two choices, the Scorpio it is.
Like many have said, Tavera is old now and does not have a 'personal car' appeal at all. More like a tourist vehicle only nowadays.
The scorp and innova atleast feel personal, and ride better too.

n.devdath · 13th October 2009, 08:48

5 comfortable seats plus driver, the Xylo or the Innova though he has not listed any of these. The Tavera is not only old and outdated but also, like others have mentioned, has a wierd middle seat. In case of budget constraints, there are many good used Innovas in the market. Just my 25 naya paisa to it.

Ramsagar · 13th October 2009, 09:15

Innova is the best bet for chauffeur driven car then comes the Scorpio & rest.
A strict no to Tavera, please keep away from it.

PAVAN KADAM · 13th October 2009, 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by hondadude

How many of you, who are trashing Scorpio's rear seats, have actually sat in the latest refresh Scorpio (I am talking about middle row) ?

I found the seat comfort to be better than both Innova and Safari. I know it is shocking, but true. I recently test drove both Scorpio and Safari with my family and everyone was unanimous in their opinion about middle row seat comfort.

You must be joking. Mid row seating comfort would go in this order.

1) Safari Dicor
2) Toyota Innova
3) Xylo
4) Scorpio

Quote:

Originally Posted by n.devdath

5 comfortable seats plus driver, the Xylo or the Innova though he has not listed any of these. The Tavera is not only old and outdated but also, like others have mentioned, has a wierd middle seat. In case of budget constraints, there are many good used Innovas in the market. Just my 25 naya paisa to it.

Yeah, dev even my +10 naya paisa to what you said

Its always better to TD the range of available vehicles in the market than zeroing in on a couple. Don't forget to sit in the mid seat to analyse, if you are getting it chauffeur driven.

suman · 13th October 2009, 10:53

Based on my experience the last time I sat in the middle row (Captains seat) in a Tavera, I would say a strict "No-no" to the Tavera

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Originally Posted by theMAG

Neither. The Xylo would be the best bet for him.

Agree with this 100% - the E8 version with all the bells & whistles.

BlackPearl · 13th October 2009, 11:52

Ok, so it seems the general consensus is against Tavera. The best option as mentioned would be to ask him to test drive alll the possiblities. But he is in a hurry and will be booking within next week. He gave me these two options and unlike a bhpian I forgot to ask him any questions to understand which would suit him better

. I have to make amends as soon as possible.. lol. Thanks guys for all the inputs.

n.devdath · 13th October 2009, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

You must be joking. Mid row seating comfort would go in this order.

1) Safari Dicor
2) Toyota Innova
3) Xylo
4) Scorpio

I dunno Pavan, but off late, I have seen quite a few BHPians praise the All New Scorpio's middle row pretty honestly....
Recline angle change??Better thigh supports??Proper contours??

I dunno but I guess something has been done somewhere.....Need to check...

If found true, it could probably be a DIY for the others as well...

reignofchaos · 13th October 2009, 18:54

Tavera is a piece of junk. The ride quality is atrocious because it runs on leaf springs. Avoid at all costs.

beejay · 13th October 2009, 19:00

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Originally Posted by BlackPearl

What will be the price difference between Tavera and Xylo? I had completely forgotten about the Xylo. I was not recommending the Scorpio as I have heard that the interiors are cramped. Is Xylo more spacious than Scorpio?

The full option Xylo E8 costs around 8.80 On road. I am not sure about the price for Tavera.

The Xylo is more spacious than any of the vehicles mentioned in this thread.

PAVAN KADAM · 13th October 2009, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by n.devdath

I dunno Pavan, but off late, I have seen quite a few BHPians praise the All New Scorpio's middle row pretty honestly....
Recline angle change??Better thigh supports??Proper contours??

I dunno but I guess something has been done somewhere.....Need to check...

If found true, it could probably be a DIY for the others as well...

Nothing is done on the mid-row seats on the new Scorpio yet buddy, its just the same and better material used, thats it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by beejay

The Xylo is more spacious than any of the vehicles mentioned in this thread.

You better get your facts right before saying this buddy.

1) Safari - Nothing can beat this vehicle in mid-row comfort
2) Scorpio - Has more space than the Xylo, but a bit lower as compared to the Safari
3) Xylo - have been in this car, Seating position is a bit high and thats it, comfort levels not tested on bad roads yet.

beejay · 13th October 2009, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

Nothing is done on the mid-row seats on the new Scorpio yet buddy, its just the same and better material used, thats it.

You better get your facts right before saying this buddy.

1) Safari - Nothing can beat this vehicle in mid-row comfort
2) Scorpio - Has more space than the Xylo, but a bit lower as compared to the Safari
3) Xylo - have been in this car, Seating position is a bit high and thats it, comfort levels not tested on bad roads yet.

Officer,

I own a Xylo and have driven and been driven in all the mentioned vehicles. Ingress and Egress might be a tad difficult on the Xylo and that's about it. In terms of overall seating - READ ALL ROWS, the Xylo wins hands down.

Why dont you compare the third row seating between a Safari and a Xylo?

FYI, the point in discussion here is space. This is not limited to seats alone. Head space, thigh support and lot of other factors need to be considered too.

hondadude · 13th October 2009, 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

You must be joking. Mid row seating comfort would go in this order.

1) Safari Dicor
2) Toyota Innova
3) Xylo
4) Scorpio

No I am not. I always thought that Safari is more comfortable but the TD last week of both the vehicles was an eye opener on that aspect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

Nothing is done on the mid-row seats on the new Scorpio yet buddy, its just the same and better material used, thats it.

Are you sure about that? Are you saying that having experienced the seat comfort of latest scorpio refresh and the one prior to that? May be some of the scorpio owners who have experience with both can comment. I think they have changed the contour of seats in the new refreshed scorpio that gives a lot of thigh support, more than safari.

PAVAN KADAM · 13th October 2009, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by beejay

Officer,

I own a Xylo and have driven and been driven in all the mentioned vehicles. Ingress and Egress might be a tad difficult on the Xylo and that's about it. In terms of overall seating - READ ALL ROWS, the Xylo wins hands down.

Why dont you compare the third row seating between a Safari and a Xylo?

FYI, the point in discussion here is space. This is not limited to seats alone. Head space, thigh support and lot of other factors need to be considered too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hondadude

No I am not. I always thought that Safari is more comfortable but the TD last week of both the vehicles was an eye opener on that aspect.

Are you sure about that? Are you saying that having experienced the seat comfort of latest scorpio refresh and the one prior to that? May be some of the scorpio owners who have experience with both can comment. I think they have changed the contour of seats in the new refreshed scorpio that gives a lot of thigh support, more than safari.

We are comparing Apples and Oranges here.

This thread is going

beejay · 13th October 2009, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

Tavera =

a STRICT NO NO. One of the awful MUV's that i've ever travelled in. The mid seats are the worst to be in. Set at a very awkward angle.

Let him go for the Scorpio instead.

If in case he needs 5 people to be Comfortable. Safari DiCOR suits the requirement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

We are comparing Apples and Oranges here.

This thread is going

Pavan Sir, no one is comparing apples and oranges here.

I was just getting my facts straight and enlightening you on the space factor. Of all the vehicles as listed by you the Xylo is the one that is max on space. And I still stick by the same.
IMO,
Scorpio- best looker of the lot.
Xylo-VFM and spacious.
Tavera- most fuel effecient amongst the lot
Safari- capable ofroader

PAVAN KADAM · 13th October 2009, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by beejay

Pavan Sir, no one is comparing apples and oranges here.

I was just getting my facts straight and enlightening you on the space factor. Of all the vehicles as listed by you the Xylo is the one that is max on space. And I still stick by the same.
IMO,
Scorpio- best looker of the lot.
Xylo-VFM and spacious.
Tavera- most fuel effecient amongst the lot
Safari- capable ofroader

FACTS

Scorpio Details

Overall Length 4430 mm
Overall Width 1817 mm
Overall Height 1975 mm
Wheel Base 2680 mm
Ground Clearance 180 mm

Xylo Details

Overall Length 4525 (mm)
Overall Width 1770 (mm)
Overall Height 1880 (mm)
Wheel Base 2760 (mm)
Ground Clearance 186 (mm)

Safari Details

Overall Length 4650 mm
Overall Width 1918 mm
Overall Height 1925 mm
Wheel Base 2650 mm
Ground Clearance 205 mm

What makes you think anything else is bigger in space than a Safari

Without further deviating from the main topic. Lets wait for the buyer to decide and let us know his preference.

I feel we have given enough.

13th October 2009, 08:34	#16
jigbarai BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 554 Thanked: 29 Times	+1 to Innova, if he is looking to buy one right away. If he can wait, there is supposedly a new Toyota MPV coming in. (What is the budget btw?) If strictly from the above two choices, the Scorpio it is. Like many have said, Tavera is old now and does not have a 'personal car' appeal at all. More like a tourist vehicle only nowadays. The scorp and innova atleast feel personal, and ride better too.
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13th October 2009, 08:48	#17
n.devdath BANNED Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,287 Thanked: 2,811 Times	5 comfortable seats plus driver, the Xylo or the Innova though he has not listed any of these. The Tavera is not only old and outdated but also, like others have mentioned, has a wierd middle seat. In case of budget constraints, there are many good used Innovas in the market. Just my 25 naya paisa to it.
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13th October 2009, 09:15	#18
Ramsagar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: BLR_Nellore(AP) Posts: 1,396 Thanked: 252 Times View My Garage	Innova is the best bet for chauffeur driven car then comes the Scorpio & rest. A strict no to Tavera, please keep away from it.
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13th October 2009, 11:52	#21
BlackPearl Team-BHP Support Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Calcutta/London Posts: 3,608 Thanked: 16,998 Times View My Garage	Ok, so it seems the general consensus is against Tavera. The best option as mentioned would be to ask him to test drive alll the possiblities. But he is in a hurry and will be booking within next week. He gave me these two options and unlike a bhpian I forgot to ask him any questions to understand which would suit him better . I have to make amends as soon as possible.. lol. Thanks guys for all the inputs.
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13th October 2009, 18:54	#23
reignofchaos Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,542 Thanked: 2,450 Times View My Garage	Tavera is a piece of junk. The ride quality is atrocious because it runs on leaf springs. Avoid at all costs.
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