Wheelspins, 180s & 360s - and how they affect your car

Ram · 11th February 2006, 23:18

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

Ram it is possible to do a 180/360 on any FWD car .. All u need to do is acheive good speeds , jack the handbrake and turn .. A slippery/wet surface certainly will help in this case .. So u not believing that a few of us have done it ???? *wakey wakey* .. Been there done that !!!!!

OK. I understand that you skidded! That's very different from drawing a powered 360-degree circular donut with your tires.

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

And coming to the point of being able to do donuts only on powerful RWD/4WD cars , i must say that i know a friend of mine whose done plenty of donuts in his CONTI(yes a contessa) .. Just a matter of time before i see it ..

My friend, please be aware that a CONTI(yes a contessa) is a rear-wheel-drive car, like big Mercedes and BMW cars and quite capable of doing powered donuts.

It is in a different category from the Elantras, Octavias and Superbs, which are just economy front-wheel-drives, overpriced in India.

Rehaan · 11th February 2006, 23:27

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Originally Posted by ghostrider4385

I had mentioned that the terrian was muddy. It is common knowledge that this type of terrain is very good for skidding.

And its uncommon knowledge that a soft muddy surface is also perfect for hiding that one rock thats just above the ground, that might clip your tire and do some damage or give you a turn on a different axis!

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Take a car on to a muddy surface. High revv it and get it to speeds around 40, press clutch, flick the steering wheel in intended direction of skid, and split sec later pull up your handbrake while leaving the accel pedal. Release handbrake, dump clutch and accel high into skid. Straighten steering wheel slightly before repeating the above.

Hey Alok,
this is the cause for the "impossible" tone of ram's post. What you are refering to is NOT a donut. (as you made clear in your last post though)

cya
R

Rehaan · 11th February 2006, 23:32

tsreekaranrao,

Also check out these threads on wheelspins for more information -

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...heelspins.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...eelspin-t.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-burnouts.html

Thread moved to Technical Stuff
cya
R

mclaren1885 · 11th February 2006, 23:47

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Originally Posted by ram

OK. I understand that you skidded! That's very different from drawing a powered 360-degree circular donut with your tires.

My friend, please be aware that a CONTI(yes a contessa) is a rear-wheel-drive car, like big Mercedes and BMW cars and quite capable of doing powered donuts.

It is in a different category from the Elantras, Octavias and Superbs, which are just economy front-wheel-drives, overpriced in India.

Dont u get it ??? Right from post 1 we are saying 180/360 spin not a donut .. Is it that hard to understand ???

Yes i do know tht the conti is a RWD but certainly not as powerful as u made it out to be ..

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Originally Posted by rehaan

And its uncommon knowledge that a soft muddy surface is also perfect for hiding that one rock thats just above the ground, that might clip your tire and do some damage or give you a turn on a different axis!

Oh comeon rehaan .. Its common knowledge that roads are filled with danger .. Someone or the other might ram into u at any give point without a warning .. Does that mean u stop driving/ riding too ????

karthik247 · 12th February 2006, 00:00

What abt burnouts?? You have to use the clutch, handbrake, brakes everytin!

Gtea · 12th February 2006, 00:04

Hey you can do a 360 with a FWD......But u have to be going very fast.
Or the road is very slippery.
BUT.........U need to keep ur feet off the brake and turn to the opposite direction as soon as u come out of the 180 degree turn.

mclaren1885 · 12th February 2006, 00:13

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Originally Posted by karthik247

What abt burnouts?? You have to use the clutch, handbrake, brakes everytin!

If ur talking about standing burnouts , then not possible in FWD's unless its bloody powerful .. A piece of cake on powerful RWDs ...

If ur talking about wheelspins on FWD thats quite easy .. Revv the car to insane RPMs and just dump the clutch while continuing to floor the accelarator pedal that is .. And u wheelspin to glory .. However all this ought to be done at ones own risk .. Because standard driveshafts, clutchplates cant bear the excess strain if done repetitively ..

karthik247 · 12th February 2006, 18:10

McLaren....

I meant a standstill burnout. It is possible in FWD cars too, but maybe it won't b as successful as in a RWD but it is possible.

SLK · 12th February 2006, 18:51

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Originally Posted by karthik247

I meant a standstill burnout. It is possible in FWD cars too, but maybe it won't b as successful as in a RWD but it is possible.

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

If ur talking about standing burnouts , then not possible in FWD's unless its BLOODY powerful

hope that clears something.
Also the video that Rehaan posted shows FWD cars (reconfirm!) doing burnouts to the end.

karthik247 · 12th February 2006, 19:26

This shows u don't need all that powerful cars to get burnouts in FWD cars.

For more details...
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...light=Burnouts

v1p3r · 13th February 2006, 00:12

Buy a Fiat 1100 for 4k, do whatever you want!

SLK · 13th February 2006, 00:31

Great.... I have a WagonR... I don't think it can do burn-outs... unless the surface is too slipery/or wet.... which looks like the case in the santro pic.

(but I am not willing to try)

tsreekaranrao · 13th February 2006, 09:27

how is a burnout done on a FWD car ???

deftones · 13th February 2006, 13:53

It can be done in a modified civic...usually num nuts would pull the hand brake and floor it...

As for 360 as in one complete spin you need to travel at more than 70km/h and also the outcome depends on the tarmac you are on.

180s and 90s can easily be done in fwd or rwd cars

90s are called handbrake turns or used in powerslides

Do them often in your family car often and u'll be visitn the workshops on ur weekends for months

burnouts and doughnuts are easily executed in awd cars, i have tried it before in my evo.

As for settin up a car for such stunts, You need a RWD with LSD (Limited Slip Differential) Atleast 200hp, TC engine would be great, A damn good suspension system (Tein + Lowered) ....and get a tire sponsor!

I have seen cars that cant go past 100km in a straight line cause they will start drifitng at that speeds due to the setup

You can have a basic setup with these parts

2 way LSD
coilivers
Rear springs
shocks (4)
front strut bar
camber plates
Lateral rod
and stripped interior

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Originally Posted by tsreekaranrao

how is a burnout done on a FWD car ???

deftones · 13th February 2006, 13:55

And as for launchin with autos...dun bother steppin on the brakes and revving...just put it in neutral and rev to an optimal range and shift to 1 or d...ofcourse ur gearbox will commit suicide in a few weeks

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Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,046 Thanked: 34,074 Times	tsreekaranrao, Also check out these threads on wheelspins for more information - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...heelspins.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...eelspin-t.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-burnouts.html Thread moved to Technical Stuff cya R
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12th February 2006, 00:00	#20
karthik247 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR, HYD Posts: 2,710 Thanked: 30 Times	What abt burnouts?? You have to use the clutch, handbrake, brakes everytin!
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12th February 2006, 00:04	#21
Gtea BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Shillong Posts: 163 Thanked: Once	Hey you can do a 360 with a FWD......But u have to be going very fast. Or the road is very slippery. BUT.........U need to keep ur feet off the brake and turn to the opposite direction as soon as u come out of the 180 degree turn.
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12th February 2006, 18:10	#23
karthik247 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR, HYD Posts: 2,710 Thanked: 30 Times	McLaren.... I meant a standstill burnout. It is possible in FWD cars too, but maybe it won't b as successful as in a RWD but it is possible.
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karthik247 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR, HYD Posts: 2,710 Thanked: 30 Times	This shows u don't need all that powerful cars to get burnouts in FWD cars. For more details... http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...light=Burnouts
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13th February 2006, 00:12	#26
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Buy a Fiat 1100 for 4k, do whatever you want!
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SLK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DL XX XX XXXX Posts: 1,634 Thanked: 1,011 Times	Great.... I have a WagonR... I don't think it can do burn-outs... unless the surface is too slipery/or wet.... which looks like the case in the santro pic. (but I am not willing to try)
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tsreekaranrao BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: hyderabad Posts: 115 Thanked: 2 Times	how is a burnout done on a FWD car ???
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13th February 2006, 13:55	#30
deftones BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 216 Thanked: 0 Times	And as for launchin with autos...dun bother steppin on the brakes and revving...just put it in neutral and rev to an optimal range and shift to 1 or d...ofcourse ur gearbox will commit suicide in a few weeks
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