Maruti WagonR CNG : Starting Problem

HONESTabdul · 25th July 2012, 20:48

My Wagon R CNG has completed 11000kms. Since the last 1000kms or so I had been seeing a weird starting problem. The car which used to start with the first turn of the key would often take two or even three cranks to start her up. I suspected the battery to be at fault, checked and found that the battery as was good as new. Went to the dealer workshop, about 40kms from my place. After reaching there the car started to start with the first crank, no problems could be detected. The car returns a uniform CNG mileage of 27/kg w/o A/C. I requested the dealer to send somebody over to my place preferably in the morning so that the problem could be experienced on a cold engine. People turned up today. Problem seen twice. Problem traced to the ignition key system. They said would have to replace. Agreed that it could only be a manufacturing defect but needed to check up if it was covered under warranty. Am waiting with crossed fingers.

Any one else with other problems with this car please share.

R2D2 · 25th July 2012, 21:56

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Originally Posted by HONESTabdul

My Wagon R CNG has completed 11000kms. Agreed that it could only be a manufacturing defect but needed to check up if it was covered under warranty. Am waiting with crossed fingers.

How old is your car HONESTadbul? Did you opt for an extended warranty? If it is out of warranty (mfr + extended) then the ignition components may not be covered.

However from your posts I am not quite convinced its the ignition circuit or the ignition key assembly. Do let us know what the dealer says

IndigoXLGrandDi · 25th July 2012, 22:04

I am no expert in case of CNG vehicles. But have the spark plugs checked for deposits (I don't know if the spark plugs come into play if the car is run on CNG). Also get the Petrol Filter cleaned/replaced (I guess the car starts on Petrol and then it switches over to CNG).

HONESTabdul · 25th July 2012, 22:34

hi R2D2, YES i do have extended warranty

. i suppose that means i shall have to pay for the labour only. The maruti guys called up today. The part (i still don't know for sure what) shall be replaced under warranty. The problem occurs when the key is turned to crank the engine. All the warning lights go off. Turned a little more the lights come back on the fuel pump starts up again. Turned further the starter motor cranks and the engine starts up. If turned in one go the starter motor tries but cannot start the car. Having diagnosed the problem i have become quite adept at starting the car at one go. You just have to switch on the ignition and then turn the key in micro milli-meter installments till the whole OFF - ON mess passes and then crank.

R2D2 · 25th July 2012, 22:42

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Originally Posted by IndigoXLGrandDi

I am no expert in case of CNG vehicles. But have the spark plugs checked for deposits (I don't know if the spark plugs come into play if the car is run on CNG). Also get the Petrol Filter cleaned/replaced (I guess the car starts on Petrol and then it switches over to CNG).

Yes, the plugs are operational even when running on CNG/LPG. As gas is a much cleaner fuel, deposits on the plugs are minimal.

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Originally Posted by HONESTabdul

hi R2D2, YES i do have extended warranty

. i suppose that means i shall have to pay for the labour only. The maruti guys called up today. The part (i still don't know for sure what) shall be replaced under warranty

Thanks HONESTabdul

(nice ID by the way), Curious to know what part they replace. Ignition lock? Do let us know please.

aaggoswami · 25th July 2012, 23:36

Sparks going bad this early is not likely. The CNG waggie comes with sparks which have a different spark plug gap, can work on both in petrol and CNG for atleast 15K kms. The waggie we have is 34K kms. now, without any sparkplug change. If starting is a problem and battery is alright, then the ECU would throw up a CNG flash on instrument cluster ( i.e. error in CNG system ) and/or engine check light would come on.

The problem you are facing is more like what it has been diagnoised, i.e. bad ignition switch. Its highly unlikely that sparks, cables, CNG system has gone bad. May be you can clean injectors, but at 11K that exactly cannot create problem.

However, if your car is not run regularly run on petrol, clean fuel filter. Its also possible that unused petrol for a long time can cause sledge and lead to a mild clogging in fuel filter as the fuel is old.

idea · 25th July 2012, 23:42

Good to know your problem is resolved and will be covered under extended warrenty.

what exactly is this extended warrenty? Worth going in for?

For Maruti it is 2K for 1 yr and 4K for 2 Yr.

IndigoXLGrandDi · 26th July 2012, 17:20

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Originally Posted by HONESTabdul

YES i do have extended warranty

. i suppose that means i shall have to pay for the labour only.

Warranty covers part cost as well as labour cost. So you don't have to pay labour charges either.

ptaneja · 27th July 2012, 13:37

starting issue on cold engine was resolved by "Tappet Adjustment" in my swift.

idea · 13th August 2012, 13:53

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Originally Posted by HONESTabdul

hi R2D2, YES i do have extended warranty

. i suppose that means i shall have to pay for the labour only. The maruti guys called up today. The part (i still don't know for sure what) shall be replaced under warranty. The problem occurs when the key is turned to crank the engine. All the warning lights go off. Turned a little more the lights come back on the fuel pump starts up again. Turned further the starter motor cranks and the engine starts up. If turned in one go the starter motor tries but cannot start the car. Having diagnosed the problem i have become quite adept at starting the car at one go. You just have to switch on the ignition and then turn the key in micro milli-meter installments till the whole OFF - ON mess passes and then crank.

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Originally Posted by idea

Good to know your problem is resolved and will be covered under extended warrenty.

what exactly is this extended warrenty? Worth going in for?

For Maruti it is 2K for 1 yr and 4K for 2 Yr.

So what is update here? Is your car back? Any charges to be paid?

I too have WagonR CNG.

HONESTabdul · 13th August 2012, 20:29

Service center called up to say the part shall be replaced under warranty. Part has been ordered since it is not readily available.

25th July 2012, 20:48	#1
HONESTabdul BHPian Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Durgapur Posts: 93 Thanked: 57 Times	Maruti WagonR CNG : Starting Problem My Wagon R CNG has completed 11000kms. Since the last 1000kms or so I had been seeing a weird starting problem. The car which used to start with the first turn of the key would often take two or even three cranks to start her up. I suspected the battery to be at fault, checked and found that the battery as was good as new. Went to the dealer workshop, about 40kms from my place. After reaching there the car started to start with the first crank, no problems could be detected. The car returns a uniform CNG mileage of 27/kg w/o A/C. I requested the dealer to send somebody over to my place preferably in the morning so that the problem could be experienced on a cold engine. People turned up today. Problem seen twice. Problem traced to the ignition key system. They said would have to replace. Agreed that it could only be a manufacturing defect but needed to check up if it was covered under warranty. Am waiting with crossed fingers. Any one else with other problems with this car please share.
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25th July 2012, 22:04	#3
IndigoXLGrandDi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Solapur (MH-13) Posts: 1,784 Thanked: 566 Times	re: Maruti WagonR CNG : Starting Problem I am no expert in case of CNG vehicles. But have the spark plugs checked for deposits (I don't know if the spark plugs come into play if the car is run on CNG). Also get the Petrol Filter cleaned/replaced (I guess the car starts on Petrol and then it switches over to CNG).
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25th July 2012, 22:34	#4
HONESTabdul BHPian Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Durgapur Posts: 93 Thanked: 57 Times	re: Maruti WagonR CNG : Starting Problem hi R2D2, YES i do have extended warranty . i suppose that means i shall have to pay for the labour only. The maruti guys called up today. The part (i still don't know for sure what) shall be replaced under warranty. The problem occurs when the key is turned to crank the engine. All the warning lights go off. Turned a little more the lights come back on the fuel pump starts up again. Turned further the starter motor cranks and the engine starts up. If turned in one go the starter motor tries but cannot start the car. Having diagnosed the problem i have become quite adept at starting the car at one go. You just have to switch on the ignition and then turn the key in micro milli-meter installments till the whole OFF - ON mess passes and then crank.
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25th July 2012, 23:36	#6
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,982 Thanked: 2,931 Times	re: Maruti WagonR CNG : Starting Problem Sparks going bad this early is not likely. The CNG waggie comes with sparks which have a different spark plug gap, can work on both in petrol and CNG for atleast 15K kms. The waggie we have is 34K kms. now, without any sparkplug change. If starting is a problem and battery is alright, then the ECU would throw up a CNG flash on instrument cluster ( i.e. error in CNG system ) and/or engine check light would come on. The problem you are facing is more like what it has been diagnoised, i.e. bad ignition switch. Its highly unlikely that sparks, cables, CNG system has gone bad. May be you can clean injectors, but at 11K that exactly cannot create problem. However, if your car is not run regularly run on petrol, clean fuel filter. Its also possible that unused petrol for a long time can cause sledge and lead to a mild clogging in fuel filter as the fuel is old.
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25th July 2012, 23:42	#7
idea BANNED Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 195 Thanked: 31 Times	re: Maruti WagonR CNG : Starting Problem Good to know your problem is resolved and will be covered under extended warrenty. what exactly is this extended warrenty? Worth going in for? For Maruti it is 2K for 1 yr and 4K for 2 Yr. Last edited by idea : 25th July 2012 at 23:44.
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27th July 2012, 13:37	#9
ptaneja BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Pole,Mars Posts: 901 Thanked: 1,120 Times	Re: Maruti WagonR CNG : Starting Problem starting issue on cold engine was resolved by "Tappet Adjustment" in my swift.
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13th August 2012, 20:29	#11
HONESTabdul BHPian Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Durgapur Posts: 93 Thanked: 57 Times	Re: Maruti WagonR CNG : Starting Problem Service center called up to say the part shall be replaced under warranty. Part has been ordered since it is not readily available.
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