Oil Filter Importance queries

humyum · 20th May 2006, 23:10

Hey guys i had this wiered problem(dont know if u can call this a problem at all).Whenever i used to start my maruti 800 in the morning for the first time the oil pressure light used to remain on even after the engine started for say 3 to 4 seconds after which it used to go off and never used to come back again whenever i started the car again.After the oil change in the car the problem was solved and as soon as the engine was started the oil light used to go.But no sooner the oil was around 3000 km old the same 3 to 4 seconds the light used to remain.So my concern grew a little and searched the internet for it.
The problem turned out to be the Oil filter check valve leaking which would cause the oil to flow back to the sump and every morning the car is started the oil pump has to fill the oil filter first and then the oil flows to the engine.
It said this could damage the engine bearing in the long run as the engine was running without oil for that 3 to 4 seconds
I wanted to enquire with u guys that is this the cause of concern?Does this happen to u guys also?should i change my oil filter?my oil change is due in sometime so should i wait till then?give me your suggestions

humyum · 21st May 2006, 10:26

Technical gurus..

shed some light on this topic....

nitrous · 21st May 2006, 14:23

IS the level of oil in dipstick correct??

humyum · 21st May 2006, 16:54

Yes Nitrous the level of oil in the dip stick is correct.Is this actually a problem or does it happen in all carbureted vehicles becasue in carbureted vehicles there is no ECU to raise the engine rpm when it is started and the engie is cold so the idling is pretty much rough and less.Could this be the cause of the oil light stay for 3 to 4 seconds?

humyum · 22nd May 2006, 11:49

No one Is replying guys..please tech gurus shed some light.

Rehaan · 22nd May 2006, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by humyum

The problem turned out to be the Oil filter check valve leaking which would cause the oil to flow back to the sump and every morning the car is started the oil pump has to fill the oil filter first and then the oil flows to the engine.

So since that seems to be the diagnosis, and a pretty suitable one, what are you asking?

If you should get it fixed? - I would say yes. Do it asap.

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headers · 23rd May 2006, 12:40

HI humyum,

Every time you change the Engine Oil, the oil filter is to be changed complusorily.

I'm not clear from your report as to whether this has been done!!

Please note that the engine oil is used to clean the engine and the oil filter is used to filter the oil and ensure the shelf life.. Thats why engine oils are recommended to be changed every 4K or 5K kms..

humyum · 23rd May 2006, 20:13

Headers dude i change the oil filter everytime i change the engine oil

jyobeb · 24th May 2006, 14:49

Usually if the light goes off little late, it means 1) A partially blocked filter or 2) Low oil level or 3) even a faulty pressure switch. You mentioned that when you change a filter the light goes off immediately, so No.3 seems out. Most filter used are free flow types without any valves, so I don't know about the flowing back part of it, but most have a by pass so that if the filter gets clogged then oil by passes the filter and goes to the engine. (Dirty oil is better than no oil) It appears to me that you maybe clogging your filters in less than the normal period. Do you do some really dust roads or is there a leak in your inlet manifold?

humyum · 25th May 2006, 13:05

Hey guys used engine flush,changed the oil filter and also the engine oil with castrol magnatec and the car starting and the engine oil light going off has reduced to around 2 seconds while starting the car for the first time in the morning..So is this acceptable now?

headers · 25th May 2006, 13:27

Yeah buddy, 2 seconds seems acceptable. Ensure it does not come back again!!

sumitkalindi · 25th May 2006, 13:48

To be precise, oil pressure light should light up when ever the engine is off for quite a some time. The morning thingh is ok, but you say it never comes on again during the day, when if parked for sometime it should. can someone using magnatec comment on this? maybe this is a property of the magnatec. That magnet concept or is this a partially malfunctioning oil pressure switch????

humyum · 25th May 2006, 16:22

Hey sumit i mean to say that the oil pressure light comes and stays for 2 seconds now only when i start the car for the first time in the morning after which when i switch on the ignition the oil pressure light along all the other lights (brake,battery light) does come on but as soon as i turn the starter and the car starts all the lights vanish including the oil light.
One more thing i wanted to ask u guys.Last time i had put GTX magnatec something and the colour was black but this time i put magnatec and its almost like white colour kinds.If i remove the dipstick to check the oil u can hardly make out wheater the oil is present or no due to its colour.I was told that after a few hundred km the colour will turn back to black.Is this so?

normally_crazy · 25th May 2006, 16:43

Could it be that the first time you start your car in the morning the oil isnt as viscous as it should be ( i mean its thick and settled down) ...after a few seconds it gets viscous due to circulation and ....and your oil light goes off ?

Is this possible gurus ?

humyum · 25th May 2006, 20:55

Hmm yeah maybe that could be or maybe as all the oil is settled in the sump and as its a carbureted car and as soon as i start the car the idling is way below the normal engine idle rpm because there is no ecu to rev the engine so the oil pump is rolling at a very low speed which leads to the oil light stay for 2 min.
hey and about the question of the colour of castrol magnatec being almost whitish..is it true..is it this colour?and will the colour change after a few hundred kilometers?

20th May 2006, 23:10	#1
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,425 Times	Oil Filter Importance queries Hey guys i had this wiered problem(dont know if u can call this a problem at all).Whenever i used to start my maruti 800 in the morning for the first time the oil pressure light used to remain on even after the engine started for say 3 to 4 seconds after which it used to go off and never used to come back again whenever i started the car again.After the oil change in the car the problem was solved and as soon as the engine was started the oil light used to go.But no sooner the oil was around 3000 km old the same 3 to 4 seconds the light used to remain.So my concern grew a little and searched the internet for it. The problem turned out to be the Oil filter check valve leaking which would cause the oil to flow back to the sump and every morning the car is started the oil pump has to fill the oil filter first and then the oil flows to the engine. It said this could damage the engine bearing in the long run as the engine was running without oil for that 3 to 4 seconds I wanted to enquire with u guys that is this the cause of concern?Does this happen to u guys also?should i change my oil filter?my oil change is due in sometime so should i wait till then?give me your suggestions
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21st May 2006, 10:26	#2
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,425 Times	Technical gurus.. shed some light on this topic....
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21st May 2006, 14:23	#3
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	IS the level of oil in dipstick correct??
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21st May 2006, 16:54	#4
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,425 Times	Yes Nitrous the level of oil in the dip stick is correct.Is this actually a problem or does it happen in all carbureted vehicles becasue in carbureted vehicles there is no ECU to raise the engine rpm when it is started and the engie is cold so the idling is pretty much rough and less.Could this be the cause of the oil light stay for 3 to 4 seconds?
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22nd May 2006, 11:49	#5
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,425 Times	No one Is replying guys..please tech gurus shed some light.
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23rd May 2006, 12:40	#7
headers Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Chennai Posts: 4,667 Thanked: 559 Times	HI humyum, Every time you change the Engine Oil, the oil filter is to be changed complusorily. I'm not clear from your report as to whether this has been done!! Please note that the engine oil is used to clean the engine and the oil filter is used to filter the oil and ensure the shelf life.. Thats why engine oils are recommended to be changed every 4K or 5K kms..
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23rd May 2006, 20:13	#8
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,425 Times	Headers dude i change the oil filter everytime i change the engine oil
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24th May 2006, 14:49	#9
jyobeb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Madurai Posts: 1,010 Thanked: 704 Times	Usually if the light goes off little late, it means 1) A partially blocked filter or 2) Low oil level or 3) even a faulty pressure switch. You mentioned that when you change a filter the light goes off immediately, so No.3 seems out. Most filter used are free flow types without any valves, so I don't know about the flowing back part of it, but most have a by pass so that if the filter gets clogged then oil by passes the filter and goes to the engine. (Dirty oil is better than no oil) It appears to me that you maybe clogging your filters in less than the normal period. Do you do some really dust roads or is there a leak in your inlet manifold?
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25th May 2006, 13:05	#10
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,425 Times	Hey guys used engine flush,changed the oil filter and also the engine oil with castrol magnatec and the car starting and the engine oil light going off has reduced to around 2 seconds while starting the car for the first time in the morning..So is this acceptable now?
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25th May 2006, 13:27	#11
headers Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Chennai Posts: 4,667 Thanked: 559 Times	Yeah buddy, 2 seconds seems acceptable. Ensure it does not come back again!!
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25th May 2006, 13:48	#12
sumitkalindi BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kolkata Posts: 376 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	To be precise, oil pressure light should light up when ever the engine is off for quite a some time. The morning thingh is ok, but you say it never comes on again during the day, when if parked for sometime it should. can someone using magnatec comment on this? maybe this is a property of the magnatec. That magnet concept or is this a partially malfunctioning oil pressure switch????
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25th May 2006, 16:22	#13
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,425 Times	Hey sumit i mean to say that the oil pressure light comes and stays for 2 seconds now only when i start the car for the first time in the morning after which when i switch on the ignition the oil pressure light along all the other lights (brake,battery light) does come on but as soon as i turn the starter and the car starts all the lights vanish including the oil light. One more thing i wanted to ask u guys.Last time i had put GTX magnatec something and the colour was black but this time i put magnatec and its almost like white colour kinds.If i remove the dipstick to check the oil u can hardly make out wheater the oil is present or no due to its colour.I was told that after a few hundred km the colour will turn back to black.Is this so?
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25th May 2006, 16:43	#14
normally_crazy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,369 Thanked: 528 Times View My Garage	Could it be that the first time you start your car in the morning the oil isnt as viscous as it should be ( i mean its thick and settled down) ...after a few seconds it gets viscous due to circulation and ....and your oil light goes off ? Is this possible gurus ?
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25th May 2006, 20:55	#15
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,425 Times	Hmm yeah maybe that could be or maybe as all the oil is settled in the sump and as its a carbureted car and as soon as i start the car the idling is way below the normal engine idle rpm because there is no ecu to rev the engine so the oil pump is rolling at a very low speed which leads to the oil light stay for 2 min. hey and about the question of the colour of castrol magnatec being almost whitish..is it true..is it this colour?and will the colour change after a few hundred kilometers? Last edited by humyum : 25th May 2006 at 20:59.
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