Your choice of Gear Box: Tall or Short?

V-16 · 18th April 2007, 23:41

well i responded to the poll but i thought of it as a short shifter

Well talking about gear boxes, i prefer a close ratio box with a tall 5/6th gear with a short shifter

sreenivass · 19th April 2007, 00:18

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Originally Posted by Shan2nu

You've got it wrong somewhere. 3rd and 4th maxing out below 100kmph????

PS : Do you drive a Petra 1.9 by any chance?

Shan2nu

Its not maxing out, Its more of how I drive it than limited by what the GB lets me do. Its a 1.6L. I occasionally redline only in 1 and 2

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esteem_lover · 19th April 2007, 00:47

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Originally Posted by turbo_c

The tall GB lets me cruise at 100Kmph with the engine sedately purring away below 3k rpm.

2. I can do 120Kmph in 2nd without redlining!

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I can do 120Kmph in 2nd without redlining!
Is it modded?? Cos, i know a few modded balenos which can't cross 100kph in second.

Nitrous old pal, i have consistently redlined my esteems in 2nd gear to touch 110 without any mods (both my esteems in question were the carb versions). Did someone say modded mpfi esteem & baleno ?? get into the club mahendra.

chetanhanda · 19th April 2007, 02:02

short gears, love shifting..

razor4077 · 19th April 2007, 02:44

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Originally Posted by V-16

well i responded to the poll but i thought of it as a short shifter

that answers my question!

1100D · 19th April 2007, 21:46

How about tall on the first three and shorter (still lower ratio-wise than the third) on the 4th and 5th. You could drive on the first three in the city and then onthe highways you can still have effective pulling power from cruising speeds.

sreenivass · 21st April 2007, 00:56

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Originally Posted by 1100D

How about tall on the first three and shorter (still lower ratio-wise than the third) on the 4th and 5th. You could drive on the first three in the city and then onthe highways you can still have effective pulling power from cruising speeds.

Lost performance right, you cant go super quick to 4th & 5th through 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Overtaking a pain since you keep coming down to 3rd to overtake.

swathyd · 23rd June 2007, 03:06

Whatever the ratio be its terrible to be in an 'adventure s' 4th gear, absolutely flat from 60 kmph onwards.

Mr_Bean · 24th March 2009, 11:35

I am still not able to figure out the short-tall gear funda

. Do you support the following:

Tall gearing means that we don't need to shift gears frequently in city traffic, the engine would not beg for mercy even at higher rpms at say 2nd & 3rd gears. So if the car crosses 100km in 2nd gear, does it imply tall gearing.

If someone could give an explanation comparing two cars, (e.g.) esteem (vs) zen, it would be enlightening.

equinox22 · 25th March 2009, 01:28

@Mr Bean: A short gear is one with a low gear ratio, and a tall gear is one with a high gear ratio. For example, a 3.267:1 gear is shorter than a 1.147:1 gear. A gear ratio of 3.267:1 means that the driveshaft rotates one time for every 3.267 rotations of the engine.
Ideally the gear ratios should be set up to use the full potential of the engine in each gear. A shorter final gear will allow the use of the highest gear at lower speeds. The opposite issue is reaching the RPM limit in the highest gear. A taller final gear will thus enable more high speed.
My car has a close ratio transmission with the following ratios:
1st: 3.267
2nd: 2.130
3rd: 1.517
4th: 1.147
5th: 0.921
6th: 0.659
Reverse: 3.583
Final Drive: 4.76
This means while cruising in 6th the engine is purring, while at the lights once I am past 1st, I can put up some stiff competition!

View Poll Results: What type of Gear Box do you prefer? (Tall / Short)
Short	53	54.64%
Tall	37	38.14%
Does not matter	7	7.22%
Voters: 97. You may not vote on this poll

18th April 2007, 23:41	#31
V-16 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 4,594 Thanked: 950 Times View My Garage	well i responded to the poll but i thought of it as a short shifter Well talking about gear boxes, i prefer a close ratio box with a tall 5/6th gear with a short shifter
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19th April 2007, 02:02	#34
chetanhanda BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 887 Thanked: 49 Times View My Garage	short gears, love shifting..
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19th April 2007, 21:46	#36
1100D Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 4,390 Thanked: 4,096 Times View My Garage	How about tall on the first three and shorter (still lower ratio-wise than the third) on the 4th and 5th. You could drive on the first three in the city and then onthe highways you can still have effective pulling power from cruising speeds.
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23rd June 2007, 03:06	#38
swathyd BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: thiruvananthapuram Posts: 774 Thanked: 25 Times	Whatever the ratio be its terrible to be in an 'adventure s' 4th gear, absolutely flat from 60 kmph onwards.
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24th March 2009, 11:35	#39
Mr_Bean BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 891 Thanked: 241 Times View My Garage	I am still not able to figure out the short-tall gear funda. Do you support the following: Tall gearing means that we don't need to shift gears frequently in city traffic, the engine would not beg for mercy even at higher rpms at say 2nd & 3rd gears. So if the car crosses 100km in 2nd gear, does it imply tall gearing. If someone could give an explanation comparing two cars, (e.g.) esteem (vs) zen, it would be enlightening.
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25th March 2009, 01:28	#40
equinox22 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago/Pune Posts: 165 Thanked: 6 Times View My Garage	@Mr Bean: A short gear is one with a low gear ratio, and a tall gear is one with a high gear ratio. For example, a 3.267:1 gear is shorter than a 1.147:1 gear. A gear ratio of 3.267:1 means that the driveshaft rotates one time for every 3.267 rotations of the engine. Ideally the gear ratios should be set up to use the full potential of the engine in each gear. A shorter final gear will allow the use of the highest gear at lower speeds. The opposite issue is reaching the RPM limit in the highest gear. A taller final gear will thus enable more high speed. My car has a close ratio transmission with the following ratios: 1st: 3.267 2nd: 2.130 3rd: 1.517 4th: 1.147 5th: 0.921 6th: 0.659 Reverse: 3.583 Final Drive: 4.76 This means while cruising in 6th the engine is purring, while at the lights once I am past 1st, I can put up some stiff competition!
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