Re: XUV500 diagnosed with broken spot welds. Re-weld or replace the frame? Quote:
Originally Posted by SDP The opening post mentions the investigation that M&M has done for this issue and also lists the solution options offered by them. Unfortunately, given that its a monocoque construction, any cutting and re-welding is going to permanently impact the structural integrity of the vehicle. Its general knowledge among auto-enthusiasts that when buying a used car, accident repair cars should be avoided like the plague. The reason is precisely the compromised structural integrity because of which in case of another accident, the vehicle would be less safe than when it was in its original state.
Coming back to the case, the first option is exactly that and the result is going to be a structurally compromised vehicle ...which is not caused by a accident by the owner, but caused by a manufacturing defect.
The second option about replacing the entire body frame is again not in favour of the OP as the fit and finish when the vehicle is assembled at the service center would be significantly inferior to a factory fit & finish. Creaking sounds, rattling, dangling wires/pipes and what not. There is no logical reason why the OP should settle with all of that for no fault of his.
There is no third option offered by M&M yet.
Sorry, have to disagree here. A monocoque SUV with broken spot-welds on one of the most precarious points of the body (i.e. the A-pillar) is a BIG deal. We are not talking about a infotainment system that automatically restarts once in a while or a faulty bonnet-sensor which triggers a false door-open alarm... for all that there is the dedicated niggles thread. | Quote:
Originally Posted by humyum Sorry, not true. In many old cars where rusting is an issue, panels are removed and new ones spot welded back, it's as good as new. Nothing is going to permanently impact a modern day vehicle as long as the worksmanship is A 1. My 12 year old sister can do a spot weld if given a choice, its that easy.
Oh please, comparing accident vehicles to just a SINGULAR spot weld not in place is just WRONG. Structurally compromised vehicle , sounds so over dramatized.
The second option should not be in favor by the OP not because of the fit and finish issues etc etc but because it's like replacing the entire chassis for a slight cross member brush that your vehicle might have taken during a trip to Ladakh or an engine replacement because the cause being head gasket failure. |
Just what I was thinking when I was reading the post yesterday morning. To compare this incident to an accident case scenario isn't correct. In an accident, there is a lot more damage which can occur. Comparing that with missing spot welds doesn't make sense to me atleast. Agreed that the missing spot welds are in a very important part of the vehicle and a BIG deal. I don't know what the real rationale behind the offer from M & M to replace the entire body frame. It might just be a good gesture, but as it turns out, they have even refused to do that as well. If they did that the fit and finish will be an issue and there is no reason kk21 should suffer that. But I feel he deserves to have the highest Mahindra service engineers assigned to this job and go with option 1. If they feel the car must be replaced, then he should pursue a replacement. We need to give them another chance at this. My biggest issue at the moment with Mahindra is that they seem to be slow and silent on this issue, which is annoying. I'd have appreciated a much better involvement from them for an issue like this, given the fact that their service centers are not regarded as providing good services. Quote:
Originally Posted by SDP One key aspect that we are missing here is that the owner did not do anything wrong and there is no reason why he should accept a copy which is not OK. This is not a "made-to-cost" entry-level vehicle after all. What you are saying seems like the classic "chalta-hain" and "jugaad-fix" line of thinking prevalent in majority of India.
I do believe that you are underplaying the issue. But that's OK, I respect your opinion. |
I feel the XUV is a "made to cost" vehicle because there is no other SUV in that price range with all the bells and whistles with a quality that is far less than the competition. I realize a lot of us are going to come back to me with how brands like Audi and Mercs have worse issues. But honestly I believe XUV is definitely built to a cost with compromise in quality in several areas. I recently saw a vehicle on lease transfer for my colleague and we were shocked to find out it had a leaking roof which wasn't corrected in 3 attempts by the service personnel!!
Also, I completely respect your opinion as well. It did make me think for a bit and I understand all of us are trying to get the best possible solution for OP, but my intention is to just share my opinion in making this fair for both parties. We can't be just one sided. In a situation like this I feel we need to listen to what both parties have to say. If Mahindra doesn't step up in resolving this matter in time and in an efficient and good workmanship, then my support goes out to kk21 in asking for an unconditional replacement. Mahindra will also go down in my books as the worst manufacturer. I have been strongly contemplating moving to XUV as my next vehicle (from Honda City) and the outcome of an incident like this will seal my decision on it.
Last edited by sudeepg : 16th June 2014 at 09:29.
Reason: Forgot to include additional comment
|