I probably should have said this in my original post:
A nice feature that would keep everyone happy would be to have BTO automatically disable itself on sports cars, when they are put into "Sport" or "Race" mode. You could left-foot brake all you want then, and i think it would keep everyone happy.
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Originally Posted by arjab Source: The Car Connection |
Nice links, thanks!
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Originally Posted by josephnishanth How then do we start and move a vehicle in a downward slope? |
I'm not sure what the standard says, but each manufacturer might implement this in different ways. See what Toyota says :
Michels added that there are certain situations where drivers would want to intentionally use both pedals simultaneously, such as starting from a stop on a steep hill, or rocking the vehicle to get it unstuck from snow. For that reason, if the brake is depressed first (e.g., in order to hold the car on a hill), the engine will respond and the vehicle can be driven from a standstill, assuming the brake is then released. - source
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Originally Posted by DerAlte 'Brakes also not working' is usually a (panic-driven) expression that actually conveys 'Braking is not effective'. |
+ 100000!! Excellently put.
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Originally Posted by jaideepshinh Any car with a servo controlled throttle should have this as a fail safe (and in my opinion, would have this already present). I have a feeling this "technology" is already quite widespread. |
Not all manufacturers who have DBW have actually applied this, but going forward it will be a requirement.
Yes, it is fairly widespread already. Quite a few luxury cars have had it implemented since as far back as 2002. See the 'source' link above for more details.
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Originally Posted by RSR However, I do not think this is something new that came about after the sad "unintended acceleration" episodes in the US. |
I wasn't saying it was something new, or something due to the Toyota incidents. In fact, ever since the theoretical discussions of drive-by-wire, people have been freaking out about "what if...".
What i did say was that it will be in
all cars in the next few years, and [implied that] perhaps the Toyota incidents have something to do with that.
Nice catch on the i20 review!
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Originally Posted by bravo6 OT: Yup! Both servo and stepper motor can get the job done in a DBW system, but servos are costlier. |
Which cars use steppers? How does a stepper know its position / prevent any kind of drift? Being an open-loop system I'd imagine this could be more dangerous?
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Originally Posted by shazikon So no Heal-and-toe shifting in latest gen cars and wonder how do they manage to rev match when downshifting in a corner or an Lotus Elise or for that matter in a daily drive car on the road? |
Again, depends on implementation. Firstly, a lot of manufacturers have avoided implementing BTO on Manual Transmission cars.
Brake/Throttle Override is not applied to vehicles with manual transmissions because Honda believes that clutch is sufficient to allow the driver to decouple the engine power from the driven wheels. - source
Secondly, some manufacturers even build in a delay, and only apply BTO if the throttle pedal input is 'static' (unchanging):
[Honda] If that signal becomes static (meaning stuck) AND then the brake pedal is applied, after 0.1 seconds the throttle will be gradually reduced to near idle level over the course of about one-half second.
Lastly, I'm (pleasantly) surprised at how many BHPians try left-foot braking. However, i just want to point out to others reading this thread that its very DANGEROUS to try left-foot braking for the first time, as it can end up being a lot more forceful / confusing that you think. Please do NOT try this when there are other people or vehicles around.
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