"I am Flying" feeling on Esteem above 110 KpH

tazz_rules · 1st August 2006, 20:48

i have a esteem vx 1996 without PS and i have also experienced this kind of problems in my esteem. when im at high speeds and i break hard i get a feeling as if my front end of the car is not in contact with the road... and the car feels unstable.

rks · 1st August 2006, 22:55

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Originally Posted by rks

If I remember correctly, my Santro manual recommends an increase of tyre pressures for extended highway runs -- will check out the details and get back later.

Well, my manual only seems to recommend 30 psi for all tyres. I couldn't find any reference to load conditions or highway driving.

extreme_torque · 2nd August 2006, 00:59

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Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

You are pardoned !!

It is worth knowing that a F1 car weights around 600Kg-including the driver. Do I need to explain more?

Thank you all. Let me implement your suggestions and I shall get back with the results

Dont compare apples with oranges.
Would you care to explain what aerodynamics are used in Esteem to keep it "glued" on the road!

roms · 2nd August 2006, 01:58

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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Dont compare apples with oranges.
Would you care to explain what aerodynamics are used in Esteem to keep it "glued" on the road!

"Apples and oranges"?? Thats more like a comparison between Watermelons and grapes..
Well the F1 car may be aerodynamic and all,but I'm sure the F1 car cant be as "air-o-dynamic" as an Esteem!!

prince85 · 2nd August 2006, 08:52

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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Dont compare apples with oranges.
Would you care to explain what aerodynamics are used in Esteem to keep it "glued" on the road!

Chill guys, i think our friend White_knight just wanted to give an example of an F1 car so as to show that weight factor has little to do with handling, stright line stability et al of a car.

BTW, i don't think aerodynamic features of a particular car be explained, can they????

WhiteKnight · 2nd August 2006, 10:24

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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Dont compare apples with oranges.
Would you care to explain what aerodynamics are used in Esteem to keep it "glued" on the road!

Can you see my white flag? Peace man

Well, with your comparison of Esteem with Santro in drag, aerodynamics and handling capabilities, I can take the liberty of comparing Esteem with F1 car.

All I mean was weight does not determine the aerodynamic capability of a car.

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Originally Posted by prince85

Chill guys,

Thank you for clearing the air

esteem_lover · 2nd August 2006, 13:31

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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Dont compare apples with oranges.
Would you care to explain what aerodynamics are used in Esteem to keep it "glued" on the road!

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Originally Posted by roms

"Apples and oranges"?? Thats more like a comparison between Watermelons and grapes..
Well the F1 car may be aerodynamic and all,but I'm sure the F1 car cant be as "air-o-dynamic" as an Esteem!!

guys, guys,

i think u need to have ur heads examined..lol..sitting up in the middle of the night & discussing apples, oranges, watermelons, grapes....go to sleep maan...go to sleep...

SLK · 23rd August 2006, 04:41

@whitenight... did you try some other esteem.. if that also feels flying?

I would tend to agree with 1100D that less than perfect balancing has a part to play in the free float feeling at 100+ speeds.

WhiteKnight · 23rd August 2006, 10:13

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Originally Posted by SLK

@whitenight... did you try some other esteem.. if that also feels flying?
I would tend to agree with 1100D that less than perfect balancing has a part to play in the free float feeling at 100+ speeds.

Thank you SLK. I am implementing the suggestions one by one.

I reduced tyre pressure to 29 psi. A very marginal improvement, may be.

Based on comments from fellow TBHPians and my testing, I feel my right front tyre is having a toe-out and +ve caster (My assumption). How? On a straight road, the car has a very marginal movement to right. Also, on full right U turn, the right tyre has started scratching the wheel bay

I was planning to do alignment and tyre rotation (didn't know, I crossed 5000Kms in 2 months). Couldn't spare enough time

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Shall keep you all posted

WhiteKnight · 31st August 2006, 10:03

Guys,

(Mods- Please modify the title of the thread to say I am back to Earth!!)

Finally I did wheel alignment and balancing. The car is well planted on the road. So I feel the issue is finally settled.

Special thanks to Psycho, Viper, Tifosikrishna, Esteem lover, 1100D and all the rest.

I did the stuff at a MASS, and they didn't do the wheel rotation properly(I had numbered my tyres). All they did was moving my right rear wheel to right front and viz versa. Also my power window stopped working after the service. I tried to talk to the service adviser, and immediately realized he doesn't know anything about wheel rotation. So I escaped before he started putting out his "gyan"

Btw, +ve reading for Toe mens what- Toe in or Toe out?

1100D · 31st August 2006, 13:09

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Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

Btw, +ve reading for Toe mens what- Toe in or Toe out?

Positive Toe Toe-in

1100D · 31st August 2006, 13:10

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Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

Btw, +ve reading for Toe mens what- Toe in or Toe out?

Positive Toe means Toe-in

esteem_lover · 31st August 2006, 13:17

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Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

Guys,

(Mods- Please modify the title of the thread to say I am back to Earth!!)

Finally I did wheel alignment and balancing. The car is well planted on the road. So I feel the issue is finally settled.

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Special thanks to Psycho, Viper, Tifosikrishna, Esteem lover, 1100D and all the rest.

I did the stuff at a MASS, and they didn't do the wheel rotation properly(I had numbered my tyres). All they did was moving my right rear wheel to right front and viz versa. Also my power window stopped working after the service. I tried to talk to the service adviser, and immediately realized he doesn't know anything about wheel rotation. So I escaped before he started putting out his "gyan"

Btw, +ve reading for Toe mens what- Toe in or Toe out?

you are welcome, whiteknight. the pleasure was mine. thanks

WhiteKnight · 8th November 2006, 10:30

Recently I took my car service center owned my my family.
They serviced my steering box and changed 2 ball joints. According to my cousin, who is the chief mechanic, the wheels had devoleped play, leading to wobbling.

Anyway, after the changes, the car is handling even better

bayuin2004 · 9th November 2006, 08:15

change your rubber and upgrade them to 185..

1st August 2006, 20:48	#46
tazz_rules BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 45 Thanked: 0 Times	i have a esteem vx 1996 without PS and i have also experienced this kind of problems in my esteem. when im at high speeds and i break hard i get a feeling as if my front end of the car is not in contact with the road... and the car feels unstable.
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23rd August 2006, 04:41	#53
SLK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DL XX XX XXXX Posts: 1,634 Thanked: 1,011 Times	@whitenight... did you try some other esteem.. if that also feels flying? I would tend to agree with 1100D that less than perfect balancing has a part to play in the free float feeling at 100+ speeds.
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31st August 2006, 10:03	#55
WhiteKnight BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 998 Thanked: 662 Times View My Garage	Back on Earth!!! Guys, (Mods- Please modify the title of the thread to say I am back to Earth!!) Finally I did wheel alignment and balancing. The car is well planted on the road. So I feel the issue is finally settled. Special thanks to Psycho, Viper, Tifosikrishna, Esteem lover, 1100D and all the rest. I did the stuff at a MASS, and they didn't do the wheel rotation properly(I had numbered my tyres). All they did was moving my right rear wheel to right front and viz versa. Also my power window stopped working after the service. I tried to talk to the service adviser, and immediately realized he doesn't know anything about wheel rotation. So I escaped before he started putting out his "gyan" Btw, +ve reading for Toe mens what- Toe in or Toe out?
	() Thanks

8th November 2006, 10:30	#59
WhiteKnight BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 998 Thanked: 662 Times View My Garage	Recently I took my car service center owned my my family. They serviced my steering box and changed 2 ball joints. According to my cousin, who is the chief mechanic, the wheels had devoleped play, leading to wobbling. Anyway, after the changes, the car is handling even better
	() Thanks

9th November 2006, 08:15	#60
bayuin2004 BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: hyderabad Posts: 30 Thanked: 0 Times	change your rubber and upgrade them to 185..
	() Thanks