WHEN and WHY does one feel the need for more power ??

drifter · 2nd August 2006, 20:00

Like someone said...when do we need more power?

The quest may be never ending for some hardcore enthusiasts...

Why do we do it?
Because we can....
(An enthusiast)

Drifter

Steeroid · 2nd August 2006, 20:22

Silly question, McLaren. Everyone wants power - whether it can be used is irrelevant.

RJK · 2nd August 2006, 20:49

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Originally Posted by normally_crazy

Answers to these question - McL , you will understand with time ! Till then enjoy !

Wisely put! and I agree again with you

Kaizer Sozay · 2nd August 2006, 22:16

Power Corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely.
but on the other hand my friend,
there is no such thing as absolute speed.
absolute speed is Simply being THERE...
Thats why we feel the need, the need for speed.....

cheers

autozealot · 3rd August 2006, 00:11

when? --- when your right foot tells your brain

why?----- because.......read my signature below

naveendhyani · 3rd August 2006, 00:46

u need more power just like u need more money, a bigger bunglow, a more beautiful girlfriend, a bigger garage & so on. dont we all want more in life (barring a few of us)

sandeep108 · 3rd August 2006, 11:02

Hmmm... everybody can blast me to pieces, and also maybe I am growing old, but I really really question the need for power, especially considering our general driving environment. You can actually screech off the red light in a stock zen, alto, santro or maruti 800, nobody is really going to be doing any staring or jaw dropping I can tell you. 90% of cars now being driven by drivers, not owners, could not care less. They will toodle along with the third gear engaged in 25 km/h, while you are way ahead, still in 2nd gear at 40 km/h, waiting to change into 3rd at 60km/h. They have to be careful or the 'seth' will fire them...

turbo_c · 3rd August 2006, 11:54

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

Why do we mod our engines ??

For me it is the sheer satisfaction of outsmarting the "professional" car manufacturers and getting more bang for my buck. It's the same satisfaction I get from running my 450Mhz P3 PC at 500Mhz with all the parameters tweaked... or as Aerosmith would put it "Livin' On the Edge" !

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

Where do we put them to use ?? Where do we test them ??

I do put it to use once in a while when some spoilt brat in his daddy's ride is trying to show off to his new found GF at my expense

... but even if I didn't, just "knowing" that I have a "Lion" of an engine under the "Sheep's Clothing" would put a very satisfied smirk on my face!

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

2. When does one feel the need for more power ??

It's human nature dude! We're never satisfied! more, More, MOre, MORe, MORE ......

Even if somebody gifted me the world's fastest / most powerful car, I would still be tempted to squeeze just a little more juice out of her!

- T u r b o C -

sandeep108 · 3rd August 2006, 12:26

I also used to try and overclock my PCs, but ultimately that turned out to be more of a hassle - what with HDD failure, hangs and crashes, etc. Of course the analogy does not hold good with cars since you are not pushing it all the time, but still - one wonders sometimes if the hassles are worth it.

And do you think the spoilt brat will have improved his manners / behaviour?

Harrie · 3rd August 2006, 12:56

When you are stuck driving a diesel car that takes all of eternity to respond to the prod of your right feet, when your best friend leaves you for dead at the traffic lights, when fully laden interstate buses seem to be accelerating faster than you...

For the records, I was driving a Ford Escort Diesel when my dad was driving a OHC and my brother a Santro. I could travel all day long in my car and get out without as much as a small sweat. I could reach the same destinations in lot more comfort albeit a little slower.

That is when you start feeling the need for power.

mclaren1885 · 3rd August 2006, 17:11

Let me rephrase the questions actually now that not many seemed to have gotten to where i was pointing out at ..

1. Is it worth modding our engines being used as just daily drives ?? Is it safe to be testing/pushing them on public roads ?? Do we actually practice what we preach ?? If we do do we accept it or deny it publically and then preach to others what we dont practice ?? Do public roads really need modded cars ??

Coming to the WHEN we need power thing .. I agree we need it all the time .. What i was looking for is a more technical aspect to it .. Say like , i have a stage 2 engine .. Now i want to go turbo .. What factors should one consider to figure out that NOW is the time for an upgrade ..

For eg : money constraints , when u no longer get scared opening her up completely , do a couple of drags , track events and figure out her limits etc ..

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Originally Posted by sandeep108

Hmmm... everybody can blast me to pieces, and also maybe I am growing old, but I really really question the need for power, especially considering our general driving environment. You can actually screech off the red light in a stock zen, alto, santro or maruti 800, nobody is really going to be doing any staring or jaw dropping I can tell you. 90% of cars now being driven by drivers, not owners, could not care less.

I completely agree with this .. In city one doesnt need a modded car (for we can never reach redline easily) what it takes is being street smart (not endagering others) , quicker shifts , knowing how to get off the signal soon , knowing WHOM (rather which car) to compete with .. Expecting a lot of brickbats coming this way

.. That said i certainly dont advocate street racing ..

sandeep108 · 3rd August 2006, 18:03

I should also have perhaps added that even when you scorch off in an m800 or alto, santro, no honda accord or corolla fellow / driver is even going to bother to look twice let alone challenge.

In fact even on mumbai pune expressway, I got very irritated at several skoda / sonata / corolla fellows hogging right lane at 70 km/h, when I was itching to do at least 90-100 km/h, forget about 120. And best of all even after honking / flashing lights, they refuse to budge not even realising they are wrong and glaring at you: what is your hurry? why you are disturbing me? whole road all over is there. Go around if you want to. Even worse are fellows who at 60 km/h move into fast right lane without signal or looking behind whether there is another car or not coming fast at 80-90. In city traffic you can rely on honking for warning, but on e-way? At least at 80-90 you can stop. What about 120-140? Big crash for sure. Yes some stretches with sparse traffic one can safely go 140, but majorly? No I think.

This is what I meant about general driving environment. And I have not even touched on jaywalkers, handcarts, cyclists, cows, etc.

Floyd de Souza · 3rd August 2006, 18:04

Mclaren,

I am sure the person who asked you the question/s would have some interest or hobby which you and he do not share. Whatever it is, if he had the capacity to, he would have more of it. Each and every human is unique and different. But one thing is common. Greed...only the extent varies. Just imagine..if everything in this world followed logic how boring it would be. The questions would be relevant if :

1. you spent more than you earned or in your case your parents earned
2. you as an individual indulged in reckless behaviour

So long as we set limits within the rule of law, I don't see any reason not to spend money in pursuing ones interests. And it would definitely be cheaper to have one modded car than two separate cars.

R32_GTR · 3rd August 2006, 18:06

Its a sense of achievement....

Set a goal...you realise that goal....what does one do when their dream is realised...you set an other goal to keep the first goal going.....(goal can be replaced with dreams if need be)

hahahahhah....enough of my sentimental garbage...but its true for me!!!

i cant stop myself from doing stuff on my car....the banks remind me from time to time that i shouldn't with their long statements...

and then there is MOM!!!

The answer simply is....."BECAUSE ITS THERE FOR THE TAKING".....you know it can be done...just a matter of keeping ourselves busy....NOT AT DADDY EXPENSE!!! (unless its business)

THIS IS WHAT KEEPS AN ENTHUSIAST TICKING!!!!

R32_GTR · 3rd August 2006, 18:11

P.s. ....i Also Think This Topic Should Be Moved To "shifting Gears"

2nd August 2006, 20:00	#16
drifter Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,488 Thanked: 75 Times View My Garage	Like someone said...when do we need more power? The quest may be never ending for some hardcore enthusiasts... Why do we do it? Because we can.... (An enthusiast) Drifter
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2nd August 2006, 20:22	#17
Steeroid Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N.A Posts: 7,046 Thanked: 2,751 Times	Silly question, McLaren. Everyone wants power - whether it can be used is irrelevant.
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2nd August 2006, 22:16	#19
Kaizer Sozay BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 333 Thanked: 5 Times View My Garage	Power Corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely. but on the other hand my friend, there is no such thing as absolute speed. absolute speed is Simply being THERE... Thats why we feel the need, the need for speed..... cheers
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3rd August 2006, 00:11	#20
autozealot BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 204 Thanked: 12 Times	when? --- when your right foot tells your brain why?----- because.......read my signature below
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3rd August 2006, 00:46	#21
naveendhyani BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 542 Thanked: 9 Times	u need more power just like u need more money, a bigger bunglow, a more beautiful girlfriend, a bigger garage & so on. dont we all want more in life (barring a few of us)
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3rd August 2006, 11:02	#22
sandeep108 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,050 Thanked: 302 Times	Hmmm... everybody can blast me to pieces, and also maybe I am growing old, but I really really question the need for power, especially considering our general driving environment. You can actually screech off the red light in a stock zen, alto, santro or maruti 800, nobody is really going to be doing any staring or jaw dropping I can tell you. 90% of cars now being driven by drivers, not owners, could not care less. They will toodle along with the third gear engaged in 25 km/h, while you are way ahead, still in 2nd gear at 40 km/h, waiting to change into 3rd at 60km/h. They have to be careful or the 'seth' will fire them...
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3rd August 2006, 12:26	#24
sandeep108 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,050 Thanked: 302 Times	I also used to try and overclock my PCs, but ultimately that turned out to be more of a hassle - what with HDD failure, hangs and crashes, etc. Of course the analogy does not hold good with cars since you are not pushing it all the time, but still - one wonders sometimes if the hassles are worth it. And do you think the spoilt brat will have improved his manners / behaviour?
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3rd August 2006, 12:56	#25
Harrie BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: KA 03, KL 12, TN 38 Posts: 701 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	When you are stuck driving a diesel car that takes all of eternity to respond to the prod of your right feet, when your best friend leaves you for dead at the traffic lights, when fully laden interstate buses seem to be accelerating faster than you... For the records, I was driving a Ford Escort Diesel when my dad was driving a OHC and my brother a Santro. I could travel all day long in my car and get out without as much as a small sweat. I could reach the same destinations in lot more comfort albeit a little slower. That is when you start feeling the need for power.
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3rd August 2006, 18:03	#27
sandeep108 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,050 Thanked: 302 Times	I should also have perhaps added that even when you scorch off in an m800 or alto, santro, no honda accord or corolla fellow / driver is even going to bother to look twice let alone challenge. In fact even on mumbai pune expressway, I got very irritated at several skoda / sonata / corolla fellows hogging right lane at 70 km/h, when I was itching to do at least 90-100 km/h, forget about 120. And best of all even after honking / flashing lights, they refuse to budge not even realising they are wrong and glaring at you: what is your hurry? why you are disturbing me? whole road all over is there. Go around if you want to. Even worse are fellows who at 60 km/h move into fast right lane without signal or looking behind whether there is another car or not coming fast at 80-90. In city traffic you can rely on honking for warning, but on e-way? At least at 80-90 you can stop. What about 120-140? Big crash for sure. Yes some stretches with sparse traffic one can safely go 140, but majorly? No I think. This is what I meant about general driving environment. And I have not even touched on jaywalkers, handcarts, cyclists, cows, etc.
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3rd August 2006, 18:04	#28
Floyd de Souza BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 320 Thanked: 225 Times	Mclaren, I am sure the person who asked you the question/s would have some interest or hobby which you and he do not share. Whatever it is, if he had the capacity to, he would have more of it. Each and every human is unique and different. But one thing is common. Greed...only the extent varies. Just imagine..if everything in this world followed logic how boring it would be. The questions would be relevant if : 1. you spent more than you earned or in your case your parents earned 2. you as an individual indulged in reckless behaviour So long as we set limits within the rule of law, I don't see any reason not to spend money in pursuing ones interests. And it would definitely be cheaper to have one modded car than two separate cars.
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3rd August 2006, 18:06	#29
R32_GTR BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 548 Thanked: 201 Times View My Garage	Its a sense of achievement.... Set a goal...you realise that goal....what does one do when their dream is realised...you set an other goal to keep the first goal going.....(goal can be replaced with dreams if need be) hahahahhah....enough of my sentimental garbage...but its true for me!!! i cant stop myself from doing stuff on my car....the banks remind me from time to time that i shouldn't with their long statements... and then there is MOM!!! The answer simply is....."BECAUSE ITS THERE FOR THE TAKING".....you know it can be done...just a matter of keeping ourselves busy....NOT AT DADDY EXPENSE!!! (unless its business) THIS IS WHAT KEEPS AN ENTHUSIAST TICKING!!!!
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3rd August 2006, 18:11	#30
R32_GTR BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 548 Thanked: 201 Times View My Garage	P.s. ....i Also Think This Topic Should Be Moved To "shifting Gears"
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