the Ikon.. bad brakes

24th April 2004, 16:16

well,,one simple solution that would apply to all cars is to remove the stooopid plastic wheel covers that come as standard on most cars,,or fit alloy wheels ,,since the key to preventing brake fade is ADEQUATE VENTILATION,,also there is a chemical spray that is available at good accessory shops which you just spray on discs/drums,,to remove dust

Kinetik · 24th April 2004, 22:14

hehe just get some brembo's off bhushans car man

humyum · 8th June 2006, 23:59

u guys feel ikons brakes are pathetic.Try out my 800 or any other 800 for that matter u will know what brakes are.Rather than depend on the brake pedal u have to trust more in god while applying the brakes.Guys trust me i have been hating my 800 more since some days so much that i would not raise my eyebrow if someone were to break it into two

compenn · 10th May 2007, 13:43

Can disc braked be fitted at the rear in Ikon 1.6? anyone tried it yet?

Absar · 11th May 2007, 11:16

^ Yes disc brakes can be fitted at the rear in the 1.6, but its complicated and a bit costly too.

-Absar

compenn · 11th May 2007, 11:19

@Absar
Did u get it fitted in your Ikon or some friend of yours? Any idea about the approximate cost?

shazikon · 11th May 2007, 11:36

Rather than going for Disc breaks at the back, its better to go for slotted rotors with better brake pads. Changing the back drum breaks to discs will change the break force geometry in the car and may be dangerous..Ikon brakes are electronically distributed. Brake force is distributed to all four wheels at a particular ratio. changing the rear breaks may result in loss of braking rather than improving bracking.

compenn · 11th May 2007, 13:26

@Shaz
The slotted rotors u mentioning, are they for the front or the back... cost of slotted rotors + brake pads?

Absar · 11th May 2007, 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by compenn

@Absar
Did u get it fitted in your Ikon or some friend of yours? Any idea about the approximate cost?

No, I haven't done it on my Ikon. Brakes are stock. The cost was around 40-45k for better front rotors & calipers + rear disc brake conversion. The person who told me this had said that he hadn't done it on any Ikon, and he wouldnt recommend doing it either, because of the fact that the Ikon's brakes are electronically distributed, also mentioned by shazikon.

-Absar

1100D · 14th May 2007, 23:38

GTO's view about Brake fade being the main cause is pretty much it. Because I had noticed on my first set of Rotors and pads the car would have varying brake feel from a cold car to a warmer car (after a few kms). However the second set of rotors were far far better and I always have not gotten this answered that why were the original set so bad.

Ventilated Rotors, great suggestion. Where can we get them (for other cars as well )? Not looking at drilling holes in stock rotors, that will never give the desired results. Does Brembo Ferrodo etc have any presence in performance brakes area in India?

kpzen · 14th May 2007, 23:50

I feel there's lots of nose dip in Ikon while braking which also adds to the scary feel for the driver.
Yeah overall also the braking is also no good....But it has awwssum handling with min body roll..

Jaggu · 15th May 2007, 10:52

ikon brake electronically adjusted?? i dont think so, its just hydrolic with booster and no electronics apart for brake pad wear indicator and fluid level indicator.

i had issues with first set of pads, but things improved tremendously after i changed the pads to new OE and yes i used to run around without hub caps so might have helped in cooling

1100D · 16th May 2007, 02:28

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

i had issues with first set of pads, but things improved tremendously after i changed the pads to new OE

Me too!!

But I had alloys from day 1 so it wasn't wheelcaps or something. The first set was bad. (not eh second set is awesome, but do-able)

kaynmantis · 5th September 2007, 12:26

I understand, the front dics bites harder than the rear drums due to front-rear bias. Does any ikon owner feels the brakes are too bias on the front? I feel mine is. I tried braking hard and examined the skid marks. I don't see skid marks for the rear tyres. Note, this is done on my backyard at slow speed. Well, I tried this because I feel the ikon brakes quiet poor and only the front seems to be working.

BlackWagon · 4th March 2009, 12:17

Hey Guys,

I have started using my dad's 2002 1.6 ikon. Having a lot of trouble getting used to the engine. Which in turn is affecting engine braking capabilities.
The car seems to want to over rev by itself. Whether on the highway or city, if I push the car a little and try to shift gears the the RPM just keeps increasing when I press the clutch. Not sure if this is normal.
We had some issues with speed sensor (or so they said). The RPM would just drop when you pressed the clutch and engine switch off at any speed!! That was a crazy time. They have replaced the sensor. But this problem persists.

Not sure if this is normal in the Ikon. I am more used to the old city. Trying to get the car to stop at higher speeds is a scary affair since i'm completely depended on brakes (and they arent too great either). Had the wheel lock up a couple of times

.

Help!!!

24th April 2004, 16:16	#16
snoopy41 Posts: n/a	well,,one simple solution that would apply to all cars is to remove the stooopid plastic wheel covers that come as standard on most cars,,or fit alloy wheels ,,since the key to preventing brake fade is ADEQUATE VENTILATION,,also there is a chemical spray that is available at good accessory shops which you just spray on discs/drums,,to remove dust
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24th April 2004, 22:14	#17
Kinetik BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 324 Thanked: 7 Times	hehe just get some brembo's off bhushans car man
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8th June 2006, 23:59	#18
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,752 Thanked: 5,428 Times	u guys feel ikons brakes are pathetic.Try out my 800 or any other 800 for that matter u will know what brakes are.Rather than depend on the brake pedal u have to trust more in god while applying the brakes.Guys trust me i have been hating my 800 more since some days so much that i would not raise my eyebrow if someone were to break it into two
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10th May 2007, 13:43	#19
compenn BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: delhi Posts: 125 Thanked: 4 Times	Can disc braked be fitted at the rear in Ikon 1.6? anyone tried it yet?
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11th May 2007, 11:16	#20
Absar BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Madras Posts: 560 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	^ Yes disc brakes can be fitted at the rear in the 1.6, but its complicated and a bit costly too. -Absar
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11th May 2007, 11:19	#21
compenn BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: delhi Posts: 125 Thanked: 4 Times	@Absar Did u get it fitted in your Ikon or some friend of yours? Any idea about the approximate cost?
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11th May 2007, 11:36	#22
shazikon BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 391 Thanked: 24 Times View My Garage	Rather than going for Disc breaks at the back, its better to go for slotted rotors with better brake pads. Changing the back drum breaks to discs will change the break force geometry in the car and may be dangerous..Ikon brakes are electronically distributed. Brake force is distributed to all four wheels at a particular ratio. changing the rear breaks may result in loss of braking rather than improving bracking.
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11th May 2007, 13:26	#23
compenn BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: delhi Posts: 125 Thanked: 4 Times	@Shaz The slotted rotors u mentioning, are they for the front or the back... cost of slotted rotors + brake pads?
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14th May 2007, 23:38	#25
1100D Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 4,390 Thanked: 4,096 Times View My Garage	GTO's view about Brake fade being the main cause is pretty much it. Because I had noticed on my first set of Rotors and pads the car would have varying brake feel from a cold car to a warmer car (after a few kms). However the second set of rotors were far far better and I always have not gotten this answered that why were the original set so bad. Ventilated Rotors, great suggestion. Where can we get them (for other cars as well )? Not looking at drilling holes in stock rotors, that will never give the desired results. Does Brembo Ferrodo etc have any presence in performance brakes area in India?
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14th May 2007, 23:50	#26
kpzen Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Faridabad Posts: 5,610 Thanked: 1,876 Times View My Garage	I feel there's lots of nose dip in Ikon while braking which also adds to the scary feel for the driver. Yeah overall also the braking is also no good....But it has awwssum handling with min body roll..
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15th May 2007, 10:52	#27
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,907 Times	ikon brake electronically adjusted?? i dont think so, its just hydrolic with booster and no electronics apart for brake pad wear indicator and fluid level indicator. i had issues with first set of pads, but things improved tremendously after i changed the pads to new OE and yes i used to run around without hub caps so might have helped in cooling
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5th September 2007, 12:26	#29
kaynmantis BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 191 Thanked: 9 Times	I understand, the front dics bites harder than the rear drums due to front-rear bias. Does any ikon owner feels the brakes are too bias on the front? I feel mine is. I tried braking hard and examined the skid marks. I don't see skid marks for the rear tyres. Note, this is done on my backyard at slow speed. Well, I tried this because I feel the ikon brakes quiet poor and only the front seems to be working.
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4th March 2009, 12:17	#30
BlackWagon Newbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8 Thanked: 0 Times	Bad Braking - Ikon 1.6 Zxi Hey Guys, I have started using my dad's 2002 1.6 ikon. Having a lot of trouble getting used to the engine. Which in turn is affecting engine braking capabilities. The car seems to want to over rev by itself. Whether on the highway or city, if I push the car a little and try to shift gears the the RPM just keeps increasing when I press the clutch. Not sure if this is normal. We had some issues with speed sensor (or so they said). The RPM would just drop when you pressed the clutch and engine switch off at any speed!! That was a crazy time. They have replaced the sensor. But this problem persists. Not sure if this is normal in the Ikon. I am more used to the old city. Trying to get the car to stop at higher speeds is a scary affair since i'm completely depended on brakes (and they arent too great either). Had the wheel lock up a couple of times. Help!!!
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