[Shan2nu]

Let me make it easier.......

Can a road car oversteer - Yes

Do you have to have aeorodynamic aid to make a car oversteer - No

Can toe and camber angles be altered in a road car - Yes

Shan2nu

[Hatari]

road cars come with an optimum setup.. ( from the factory )
and when u fiddle around with the above mentioned settings.. they will affect the handling of the car.. but how healthy are they for ure car ?
how often do u fiddle with these settings ?
for e.g. when u change increase -ve camber.. it will result in wearing out of the inside of ure tyres..

not familiar with the concept of how u actually go about changing the toe angle..
how is it done ?

think u got it the other way around..if u increase tyre pressure at the front
it will lose a bit of grip and tend to understeer...
buy dont u have to increase pressure by quite a bit to feel this effect ?
and is that acceptable on a road car over a long period of time ? or do u just do it on a temporary basis ?

[Deeps]

Understeer for normal sane road driving but definitely oversteer for the thrilling drive

[Shan2nu]

hey Hatari, sorry, my comp got spoilt, just got it repaired.

Ok here's what i found out. On our cars, the camber and castor cannot be changed. But the toe angles can. Your wheel allignment has got everything to do with toe angles. A road car can be setup for toe out or toe in.

Shan2nu

[ajith]

Hello everyone! Though i have been a member of this forum for quite some time, I have spent most of my time simply reading the threads on here with great interest. The engine and power mods discussions make sense to me but i am still trying to understand the concept of car handling. Having talked to some friends, I am beginning to think almost everyone dislikes body-roll but beyond that i am not getting anything to go on.

I would like to know from you what you like about good handling cars and what is it that you hate about those you think could do better. Just want your personal opinions so i can get a better understanding of what makes a car easier to drive hard.

-Ajith

P.S. : If this is not in the right forum, I request the moderators to please help move it to the right place.

[Sam Kapasi]

I like my cars just like I like my women. Uhh.. No wait, that's not the line I wanted to say.

I like a car to go forward in forward gear not like those cars that go backward in forward gear and go right when you turn left. What's the name for that kind of car?
No wait, that is a woman!

Uh.. How do I like my car's handling? I don't know. I hate the way my Verna rocks like a boat though.

[harry10]

lol. That was funny!

[abhinav.gupta88]

Sam is in action.
How about a Yeti blog on similar grounds Sam

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by ajith

I would like to know from you what you like about good handling cars and what is it that you hate about those you think could do better.

Er.. i like the good handling of the good handling cars and i wish the bad handling cars handle as good as the good handling cars if not better...

[ajith]

LOL Sam, you sure do live up to your reputation

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

I hate the way my Verna rocks like a boat though.

Wonderful! It is things like these i want to understand. Is it like an up and down movement or does it actually roll?

-Ajith

[binz]

Understeer over oversteer anyday.

[harry10]

@Ajith - Well car handling is a description of the way wheeled vehicles perform transverse to their direction of motion, particularly during cornering and swerving. It also includes their stability when moving in a straight line. Handling and braking are the major components of a vehicle's "active" safety.

[ajith]

Regarding my santro, here are my peeves.
- Power Steering doesn't adapt to speed. Makes me a very nervous "handler"
- Rear suspension too stiff. Tends not to "follow the curve" of a bump. Typically goes airborne at the crest of a bump unless i am at pedestrian speeds.
- Body rolls a lot. Always wants to peek around corners. Reduces my cornering confidence.

[Sam Kapasi]

Originally Posted by ajith

Wonderful! It is things like these i want to understand. Is it like an up and down movement or does it actually roll?

-Ajith

Well, I'm not the right person to elaborate because I don't drive much. Let me try.

IMO the Hyundai Verna is designed to have a soft and comfortable suspension, but it handles like a waterbed.
While driving it is not bad, in fact in city driving it can even feel quite comfortable (the suspension, not the terrible Hyundai seats)
but the back seat is another story.

When my driver drives and he brakes, sometimes I feel like throwing up because the back is still rocking. Sometimes when he drives off quickly, I feel I am in a Tom and Jerry Movie where the front zooms off and the back part follows later.
So much for my highly technical explanation.

[pranavt]

Oversteer > Understeer anyday.