About clutch wear & replacement

adheesh · 22nd October 2007, 17:17

Cluch wear can be identified by a soft clutch as well as the increase in the free period travelled by the clutch.

yasw_anth · 23rd October 2007, 12:29

i can feel clutch slip in 1st gear, are these symptoms of a bad clutch plate ? and i get to the mechanic every month to adjust the clutch , it gets loose soo quick,wat can be the problem?
new clutch plate running since 22k kms ..

Vid6639 · 31st October 2007, 12:38

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Originally Posted by anandtheleo

Hi Vid,

You just described what I experience in my alto sometimes, i have told about it here (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...tml#post572633)
I raised it as a issue with the MASS when i gave for service last month, but since the issue is not predictable was not able to show a demo for the service manager, they told they will look into it, but the problem persists still. But if you press the clutch immediately after releasing in 1st gear the problem lessens. But I agree its a embarrassing situation to be in. the passengers sometimes think you are a novice driver learning to drive.

Anand.S

Just did some googling on this clutch judder only in the morning or when cold. Came up with interesting info. for this:

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On certain mornings condensation will build up on the flywheel for the same reasons that a cold bottle of milk from the fridge will quickly be covered with condensation in a warm humid room. This condensation together with slight wear in the dual-mass flywheel bearing causes the judder. As soon as the flywheel is warm and the clutch friction material is dry the clutch works OK.

So experts, is there any solution to this??

I tried slipping the clutch a little more in the morning and the judder subsided faster than normal.

source:Tyresmoke.Net: Fly wheel and Clutch replacement?

Clutch Judder - Toyota Owners Club - UK Toyota Car Club

Fierce clutch judder

vnabhi · 31st October 2007, 15:26

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Originally Posted by kiranpashtakar

Zappo
Does this work on an incline as well, Not too sure since the retardation from the incline will limit the speed and hence stall the engine.
Then you are back to square one you either ride on clutch or the brakes

I too have the same view.

anandtheleo · 31st October 2007, 16:05

Good find there Vid6639, but I have faced this problem even in the blazing afternoon heat here in Chennai as well as in the cool evenings. So for me the quest still continues. But the point googled by you is a interesting one nevertheless.

Anand.S

Vid6639 · 1st November 2007, 09:27

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Originally Posted by anandtheleo

Good find there Vid6639, but I have faced this problem even in the blazing afternoon heat here in Chennai as well as in the cool evenings. So for me the quest still continues. But the point googled by you is a interesting one nevertheless.

Anand.S

In which case it could be due to contamination of the clutch fluid as mentioned in one of the links.

In my next service I plan to replace the clutch fluid and bleed the entire system as well as get the slave cylinders checked.

khadoos baby · 14th November 2007, 08:33

hello friends.. please help me! i own indica turbo.. 42000 km running..since past couple of days.. i have been facing problem in gear shift.. only 1st gear. when car is standstill..i can put it in first gear .. no problems.. but if car is in motion and i have to shift gear from 2nd to 1st say in traffic .. i cannot.. it just doesnt go.. and i have to actually makecar stand still to put it into gear again. kindly help!

for the moderator..i really have no idea wher i can put this post of mine.. so put it in closest relevance.. thnks

tsk1979 · 14th November 2007, 10:41

You need to get the gearbox checked, esp the bushes etc., this does not sound like a clutch problem, but a gearbox related issue. But then I could be wrong. Get it inspected from a good mechanic

vivek_pinkoo · 14th November 2007, 11:25

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Originally Posted by khadoos baby

hello friends.. please help me! i own indica turbo.. 42000 km running..since past couple of days.. i have been facing problem in gear shift.. only 1st gear. when car is standstill..i can put it in first gear .. no problems.. but if car is in motion and i have to shift gear from 2nd to 1st say in traffic .. i cannot.. it just doesnt go.. and i have to actually makecar stand still to put it into gear again. kindly help!

for the moderator..i really have no idea wher i can put this post of mine.. so put it in closest relevance.. thnks

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease donot put car in 1st while moving. IMHO. How long you have been driving?

DieselFan · 14th November 2007, 13:40

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Originally Posted by vivek_pinkoo

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease donot put car in 1st while moving. IMHO. How long you have been driving?

I think there is no problem in shifting to gear 1 if the speeds are below 10 kmph. In a slow moving traffic (read crawling ) gear 1 driving becomes an absolute must, else one would be riding the clutch on gear 2 (Which is not advisable at all).

Thad E Ginathom · 14th November 2007, 14:02

If your engine is labouring in 2nd, you must change down to 1st. While moving. Yes, of course no problem.

Please do not engage reverse gear while the car is moving forwards!!!!!!

khadoos baby · 14th November 2007, 20:06

hey vivek u r from gurgaon.. i m sure u r very well aware of metropolitan peak hour traffic.. and i m sure some times u must b shifting to 1st gear on roads than keeping ur car in 2nd gear and puttin more stress on ur clutch ( practically half clutch driving)... and if u r not... then i think u must start afresh .. erasing ur previous driving style... no offence.. just a reply and frank thought.

hey guysthnks.. i ll chek it rite away and ll get back to u with the problemsolution... thnks

Thad E Ginathom · 14th November 2007, 23:45

I specifically remember being shouted at by my driving instructor for slipping the clutch in 2nd: "Clutch control in first only"

khadoos baby · 15th November 2007, 12:55

hey.. i went to tata worskhop and got my car checked.. he told me that clutch plate needs to be changed and also something called as pressure plate too.. bush is fine.. i guess at 42,000 isnt it too early for clutchplate to give way! i own palio,accent and a honda city.. all of them have covered 30,000 + km and none of them suffered this problem.. also he gave me estimate of around 7-8 grands to solvethe prob.. and the local mechanic gave me an estimate of 3-4 k.. damn.. wat a difference.. !

iraghava · 15th November 2007, 13:08

KB - Make sure that when you're replacing the Clutch assembly that you replace Clutch Plate, Pressure Plate & release Bearing at the same time. Using one or more old components to save some money can prove to be much costlier at a later time. It is always advisable to change all 3 components at the same time.

22nd October 2007, 17:17	#61
adheesh BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bombay Posts: 526 Thanked: 53 Times View My Garage	Cluch wear can be identified by a soft clutch as well as the increase in the free period travelled by the clutch.
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23rd October 2007, 12:29	#62
yasw_anth BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 103 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	i can feel clutch slip in 1st gear, are these symptoms of a bad clutch plate ? and i get to the mechanic every month to adjust the clutch , it gets loose soo quick,wat can be the problem? new clutch plate running since 22k kms ..
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31st October 2007, 16:05	#65
anandtheleo BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 415 Thanked: 420 Times View My Garage	Good find there Vid6639, but I have faced this problem even in the blazing afternoon heat here in Chennai as well as in the cool evenings. So for me the quest still continues. But the point googled by you is a interesting one nevertheless. Anand.S
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14th November 2007, 08:33	#67
khadoos baby BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: dombivili,mumbai Posts: 69 Thanked: 3 Times	problem in shifting car into 1st gear! hello friends.. please help me! i own indica turbo.. 42000 km running..since past couple of days.. i have been facing problem in gear shift.. only 1st gear. when car is standstill..i can put it in first gear .. no problems.. but if car is in motion and i have to shift gear from 2nd to 1st say in traffic .. i cannot.. it just doesnt go.. and i have to actually makecar stand still to put it into gear again. kindly help! for the moderator..i really have no idea wher i can put this post of mine.. so put it in closest relevance.. thnks
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14th November 2007, 10:41	#68
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,820 Times View My Garage	You need to get the gearbox checked, esp the bushes etc., this does not sound like a clutch problem, but a gearbox related issue. But then I could be wrong. Get it inspected from a good mechanic
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14th November 2007, 14:02	#71
Thad E Ginathom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 10,990 Thanked: 26,378 Times	If your engine is labouring in 2nd, you must change down to 1st. While moving. Yes, of course no problem. Please do not engage reverse gear while the car is moving forwards!!!!!!
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14th November 2007, 20:06	#72
khadoos baby BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: dombivili,mumbai Posts: 69 Thanked: 3 Times	thnks hey vivek u r from gurgaon.. i m sure u r very well aware of metropolitan peak hour traffic.. and i m sure some times u must b shifting to 1st gear on roads than keeping ur car in 2nd gear and puttin more stress on ur clutch ( practically half clutch driving)... and if u r not... then i think u must start afresh .. erasing ur previous driving style... no offence.. just a reply and frank thought. hey guysthnks.. i ll chek it rite away and ll get back to u with the problemsolution... thnks
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14th November 2007, 23:45	#73
Thad E Ginathom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 10,990 Thanked: 26,378 Times	I specifically remember being shouted at by my driving instructor for slipping the clutch in 2nd: "Clutch control in first* only"*
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15th November 2007, 12:55	#74
khadoos baby BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: dombivili,mumbai Posts: 69 Thanked: 3 Times	got it consulted hey.. i went to tata worskhop and got my car checked.. he told me that clutch plate needs to be changed and also something called as pressure plate too.. bush is fine.. i guess at 42,000 isnt it too early for clutchplate to give way! i own palio,accent and a honda city.. all of them have covered 30,000 + km and none of them suffered this problem.. also he gave me estimate of around 7-8 grands to solvethe prob.. and the local mechanic gave me an estimate of 3-4 k.. damn.. wat a difference.. !
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15th November 2007, 13:08	#75
iraghava Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 8,033 Thanked: 265 Times View My Garage	KB - Make sure that when you're replacing the Clutch assembly that you replace Clutch Plate, Pressure Plate & release Bearing at the same time. Using one or more old components to save some money can prove to be much costlier at a later time. It is always advisable to change all 3 components at the same time.
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