Modifications needed for Drifting

Sideways · 15th November 2006, 11:36

Done at the track In chennai. There wasnt any sand around, only tarmac, was done on a front wheel drive car (Chevy SRV), not once but about 6 or 7 times. FWD drift is possible. Car is bone stock, no modifications whatsoever. You require a lot of skill and i would strongly recomend that first timers stay away from such stunts. The guy driving the car is Karun Chandok. Have a look: -

2fast4u · 15th November 2006, 11:38

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Originally Posted by manveet

Khaadu ji. Please don't get exasperated.

although it is difficult, drifting IS possible using a FWD.

There are many different drifting techniques, both for RWD and FWD.

RWD

Power oversteer or Powerslide - This drift is performed when entering a corner at full throttle to produce heavy oversteer through the turn. The excess power causes the drive wheels to lose traction in a RWD or AWD car. This is the most typical drifting technique for all-wheel drive cars.
Braking Drift - This drift is performed by braking into a corner, so that the car can transfer weight to the front. This is immediately followed by throttle in a RWD car causes the rear wheels to lose traction. FWD cars can also use this technique as it does not depend on the rear wheels being driven.

manveet this part is right for rwd. i have not seen fwd's drift and most of the people who drift here use rwd and the cars have increased hp which is needed to hold the drift.
let me learn about fwd drift.

keep the posts coming drift2race.
as my car is already on drift setup want to see what these double disks looklike. so pics asap

khaadu75 · 15th November 2006, 11:45

Sideways, Drifting is when you use the power of the engine to slide thru corners and bends as and when you feel like it . I aint gud in giving links and stuff but the real drifting is not happening in a FWD car -- NO WAY !! Thats more of a forced drift where the tail of the car goes out and you need to correct it with the wheels and not the engine , maybe Im wrong but thats how i know it to be .

Cheers

Sideways · 15th November 2006, 11:52

I completely agree Saajid, and also accept that it is the authentic and true way to drift (RWD & AWD). No arguements. Yes the picture above is a forcibly induced drift using the scandanavian flick method. But correction was done by counter locking and engine power. Without engine power he would have been a gonner.

So to conclude lets just agree that: -

RWD & AWD = Authentic drifting
FWD = Induced Drifting

And now lets back to the topic of the thread.

manveet · 15th November 2006, 12:05

My opinion is that a drift is the consequence. How it is induced is irrelevant.

Definition on Wikipedia:
When the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, and the front wheels are pointed in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right), and the driver is controlling this, the car is drifting.

nitrous · 15th November 2006, 12:18

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double disc brakes for maximum braking

This is biker's term.

I have a gut feeling that 'drift2race' is the next 'mktgheadferrari'!!

khaadu75 · 15th November 2006, 12:22

Manveet, Thats where i dis-agree totally !! Turn right , Pull half hand brake - rear will go out , lock wheel in opposite direction ... its driftig but not the drifting that we refer to as drifting !!! We talking to the FUN FACTOR of drifting and that only happens in the RWD ....

Manveet, Get urself a Fiat/Tata Sierra ... push in 3rd gear , do a scandinavian flick , shift into 2nd and see yourself slide thru a turn ... NOW THATS WHAT I CALL FUN DRIFTING !!!

Cheers

2fast4u · 15th November 2006, 12:32

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Originally Posted by manveet

My opinion is that a drift is the consequence. How it is induced is irrelevant.

yes its a consequence but its something u know u are going to do its planned to either overteer or dump clutch or brake or increase revs to hold the drift and so its relevant if u need to be on the track and in control.

2fast4u · 15th November 2006, 12:35

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Originally Posted by nitrous

This is biker's term.

I have a gut feeling that 'drift2race' is the next 'mktgheadferrari'!!

i am still waiting to see the double disks picture.

balenopower · 15th November 2006, 13:38

Hey tht sr-v pic was in overdrive as well....induced or not....drifting is sure fun...tried it recently on a ford fiesta....trust me guys the stock tyres felt as they were running on grease....but sure was fun...

suman · 15th November 2006, 13:41

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Originally Posted by drift2race

its an expensive hobby if you just think about the dents because one time repair costs around 60000 to a lakh & since we have just started on the learning curve dents and nicks are bound to happen !

Wow, now that's what I call being PASSIONATE about your hobby!!!! Bravo & keep it up, what's a few lakhs worth of dents between friends

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drift2race · 16th November 2006, 09:21

guys i am a very busy man ! as soon as i get time i will post pics soon , you are interested in double discs but aircrafts have 4 ,6 ,8 & even 12 discs ! me & my friend dont really care about the money spent on the skoda , we have altogether spent more than 7 lakhs on the car !

Boom Shiva · 24th November 2006, 11:55

Drift2Race, that's a lot to spend on mods. Could you please give us a cost breakdown?

I would like to see this double disc pattern too. I'm interested in improving my car's braking (currently has front discs and rear drums).

Also, since you are both new to drifting, doesn't it make more sense to learn with the Alto? Will save you a lot in repairs and you'll also grasp the basic principles better.

suman · 24th November 2006, 12:28

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Originally Posted by drift2race

you are interested in double discs but aircrafts have 4 ,6 ,8 & even 12 discs !

Yeah, but we are talking cars here I thought, we want to see the double discs on the Skoda.......

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Originally Posted by drift2race

me & my friend dont really care about the money spent on the skoda , we have altogether spent more than 7 lakhs on the car !

What's your stake in this buddy, you sound like a friend I could do with whenever I decide on modding my rides....you are generous all right

Boom, cars like the Alto are not for him......he thinks big

Vid6639 · 24th November 2006, 13:56

Hey drift2race where are you.

I just thought of something. Your an aircraft engineer and you have access to ATR's. I'm sure theres an empty runway somewhere around where they are parked. Why couldnt you just practice drifting there.

One more thing Since you have the runway why not try drifting the ATR that should be possible I'm sure.

15th November 2006, 11:36	#46
Sideways BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Madras - India Posts: 641 Thanked: 31 Times View My Garage	FWD Drift is Possible - Have a look. Done at the track In chennai. There wasnt any sand around, only tarmac, was done on a front wheel drive car (Chevy SRV), not once but about 6 or 7 times. FWD drift is possible. Car is bone stock, no modifications whatsoever. You require a lot of skill and i would strongly recomend that first timers stay away from such stunts. The guy driving the car is Karun Chandok. Have a look: - Last edited by Sideways : 15th November 2006 at 11:47.
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15th November 2006, 11:45	#48
khaadu75 BANNED Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: same as the proposed venue for F1 ;-) Posts: 1,156 Thanked: 16 Times View My Garage	Sideways, Drifting is when you use the power of the engine to slide thru corners and bends as and when you feel like it . I aint gud in giving links and stuff but the real drifting is not happening in a FWD car -- NO WAY !! Thats more of a forced drift where the tail of the car goes out and you need to correct it with the wheels and not the engine , maybe Im wrong but thats how i know it to be . Cheers
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15th November 2006, 11:52	#49
Sideways BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Madras - India Posts: 641 Thanked: 31 Times View My Garage	I completely agree Saajid, and also accept that it is the authentic and true way to drift (RWD & AWD). No arguements. Yes the picture above is a forcibly induced drift using the scandanavian flick method. But correction was done by counter locking and engine power. Without engine power he would have been a gonner. So to conclude lets just agree that: - RWD & AWD = Authentic drifting FWD = Induced Drifting And now lets back to the topic of the thread. Last edited by Sideways : 15th November 2006 at 12:01.
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15th November 2006, 12:05	#50
manveet Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,094 Thanked: 732 Times View My Garage	My opinion is that a drift is the consequence. How it is induced is irrelevant. Definition on Wikipedia: When the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, and the front wheels are pointed in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right), and the driver is controlling this, the car is drifting.
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15th November 2006, 12:22	#52
khaadu75 BANNED Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: same as the proposed venue for F1 ;-) Posts: 1,156 Thanked: 16 Times View My Garage	Manveet, Thats where i dis-agree totally !! Turn right , Pull half hand brake - rear will go out , lock wheel in opposite direction ... its driftig but not the drifting that we refer to as drifting !!! We talking to the FUN FACTOR of drifting and that only happens in the RWD .... Manveet, Get urself a Fiat/Tata Sierra ... push in 3rd gear , do a scandinavian flick , shift into 2nd and see yourself slide thru a turn ... NOW THATS WHAT I CALL FUN DRIFTING !!! Cheers Last edited by khaadu75 : 15th November 2006 at 12:24.
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15th November 2006, 13:38	#55
balenopower BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 957 Thanked: 465 Times View My Garage	Hey tht sr-v pic was in overdrive as well....induced or not....drifting is sure fun...tried it recently on a ford fiesta....trust me guys the stock tyres felt as they were running on grease....but sure was fun...
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16th November 2006, 09:21	#57
drift2race BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: delhi Posts: 207 Thanked: 201 Times	guys i am a very busy man ! as soon as i get time i will post pics soon , you are interested in double discs but aircrafts have 4 ,6 ,8 & even 12 discs ! me & my friend dont really care about the money spent on the skoda , we have altogether spent more than 7 lakhs on the car !
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24th November 2006, 11:55	#58
Boom Shiva BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,055 Thanked: 18 Times	Drift2Race, that's a lot to spend on mods. Could you please give us a cost breakdown? I would like to see this double disc pattern too. I'm interested in improving my car's braking (currently has front discs and rear drums). Also, since you are both new to drifting, doesn't it make more sense to learn with the Alto? Will save you a lot in repairs and you'll also grasp the basic principles better.
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24th November 2006, 13:56	#60
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,729 Thanked: 43,464 Times View My Garage	Hey drift2race where are you. I just thought of something. Your an aircraft engineer and you have access to ATR's. I'm sure theres an empty runway somewhere around where they are parked. Why couldnt you just practice drifting there. One more thing Since you have the runway why not try drifting the ATR that should be possible I'm sure.
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