Is Diesel Really A Deal?

finetuning · 1st April 2007, 01:53

A very good article on crdi diesels......

http://auto.indiatimes.com/Auto_Disc...ow/1824627.cms

For diesel crdi to run efficiently they require non adulterated diesels fuel.......diesel engine will have more then 30% growth....

Enjoy...

abhibh · 1st April 2007, 03:40

Well that's a nice article but it does not mention about whether to use diesel with additives or normal, coz T-BHP says NORMAL but people around me use ADDITIVES one.

doctorkats · 1st April 2007, 04:45

good article that.
most people still believe that diesel engines are cruder and less refined than petrols.common rail technology has revoutionized diesel engines making them as tech savvy as new age petrols.
sadly clean fuel in our country is an altogether different story.one that doesnt have a happy ending.

ajmat · 1st April 2007, 10:47

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Originally Posted by doctorkats

.common rail technology has revoutionized diesel engines making them as tech savvy as new age petrols.
sadly clean fuel in our country is an altogether different story.one that doesnt have a happy ending.

However some points to consider

CRDi's work at very high pressures hence high tolerances hence

1:Tolerance of bad fuel is low
2: If you fill petrol by mistake - it will be a disaster as the injector pump is built to such fine tolerances that the temporary lack of lubricity from the diesel fuel will ruin it
3: CRDi's operate at very high temperatures - you need to ensure that you remove and replace glow plugs occasionally else the glow plugs fuse into cylinderheads. Lots of Mercs in europe requiring new cylinder heads due to this.

You cannot treat CRD'i like you treat lorries in other words

sreenivass · 1st April 2007, 12:03

Good article, but how does one make sure only unadulterated diesel is poured in. One of the things the manufacturers could do is to put some kind of filter to filter out undesirable ones, do not know if it is even possible !!

raajks · 1st April 2007, 14:20

I would suggest Shell for both Diesel and Petrol.
I have noticed personally that High Octance Petrol and Diesel with additives do improve performance, but most of Auto manufactures suggest not to use additives as Engine performance in the long run would be affected.

Shell - seem to clean and wise choice

spatafarose · 1st April 2007, 14:45

Its good article.. Common rail technology improved the diesel world of cars itself.. Its comfortable and good in fuel efficiency with less maintenance.

tadukuttan · 1st April 2007, 15:35

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Originally Posted by abhibh

Well that's a nice article but it does not mention about whether to use diesel with additives or normal, coz T-BHP says NORMAL but people around me use ADDITIVES one.

Please always use normal, but GOOD diesel. From experience, BAD diesel does BAD things for the engine. Which is what the article also tries to explain.

And again from experience, diesel with additives is trouble in the long run, for new generation engines. What is good for the truckers is not necessarily good for Common Rail engines.

And about magazines keeping silent on the topic, probably commercial interests. And then, unless they do a long term scientific study, they wont be able to state this in public without getting sued?

amu1983 · 27th May 2007, 00:56

Sued? The entire country is corrupt, dude. I just get pissed off sometimes. How long to we have to tolerate the adulterated fuel in our cars for? How long the bad roads?

theMAG · 27th May 2007, 01:23

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Originally Posted by tadukuttan

And about magazines keeping silent on the topic, probably commercial interests.

Not probably. The other tense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tadukuttan

And then, unless they do a long term scientific study, ...

They wont too. Whats in it for them apart from the inconsequentials to them like public interest ?

Zappo · 27th May 2007, 01:26

Bad fuel is indeed a bugbear in this country. And considering that we pay some of the highest fuel prices in the world least we can expect is clean, unadulterated fuel.

Sometimes I feel that the irritating American habit of suing anything and everything in the world is needed to some extent in this country as well. Actually speaking if you look at the laws in this country you can very well sue the Oil company if the fuel from one of their bunks ruins your vehicle. Afterall in the eyes of the law the fuel bunk acts as their agents by selling their fuel, with the oil companies name prominently displayed all over the bunks. And under law the company is equally liable for a wrongful action of its agents.

1st April 2007, 01:53	#1
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 13 Times	Is Diesel Really A Deal? A very good article on crdi diesels...... http://auto.indiatimes.com/Auto_Disc...ow/1824627.cms For diesel crdi to run efficiently they require non adulterated diesels fuel.......diesel engine will have more then 30% growth.... Enjoy...
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abhibh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in the HOOD near you! Posts: 2,768 Thanked: 39 Times	Well that's a nice article but it does not mention about whether to use diesel with additives or normal, coz T-BHP says NORMAL but people around me use ADDITIVES one.
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doctorkats BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Noida Posts: 315 Thanked: 2 Times	good article that. most people still believe that diesel engines are cruder and less refined than petrols.common rail technology has revoutionized diesel engines making them as tech savvy as new age petrols. sadly clean fuel in our country is an altogether different story.one that doesnt have a happy ending.
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sreenivass BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bangalore India Posts: 932 Thanked: 44 Times View My Garage	Good article, but how does one make sure only unadulterated diesel is poured in. One of the things the manufacturers could do is to put some kind of filter to filter out undesirable ones, do not know if it is even possible !!
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1st April 2007, 14:20	#6
raajks BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: BLR Posts: 578 Thanked: 119 Times View My Garage	I would suggest Shell for both Diesel and Petrol. I have noticed personally that High Octance Petrol and Diesel with additives do improve performance, but most of Auto manufactures suggest not to use additives as Engine performance in the long run would be affected. Shell - seem to clean and wise choice
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spatafarose BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cochin Posts: 32 Thanked: 0 Times	Its good article.. Common rail technology improved the diesel world of cars itself.. Its comfortable and good in fuel efficiency with less maintenance.
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27th May 2007, 00:56	#9
amu1983 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 144 Thanked: 0 Times	Sued? The entire country is corrupt, dude. I just get pissed off sometimes. How long to we have to tolerate the adulterated fuel in our cars for? How long the bad roads?
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27th May 2007, 01:26	#11
Zappo Team-BHP Support Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 5,922 Thanked: 2,686 Times	Bad fuel is indeed a bugbear in this country. And considering that we pay some of the highest fuel prices in the world least we can expect is clean, unadulterated fuel. Sometimes I feel that the irritating American habit of suing anything and everything in the world is needed to some extent in this country as well. Actually speaking if you look at the laws in this country you can very well sue the Oil company if the fuel from one of their bunks ruins your vehicle. Afterall in the eyes of the law the fuel bunk acts as their agents by selling their fuel, with the oil companies name prominently displayed all over the bunks. And under law the company is equally liable for a wrongful action of its agents.
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