Of rain and the universal air filter

binz · 20th April 2007, 13:43

Umm...how safe is it to run unversal K&Ns and Ractives during heavy rainfall?

theMAG · 20th April 2007, 13:49

If you got a cold-air intake behind the bumper, very bad.

binz · 20th April 2007, 13:55

Got mine exactly where the stock filter used to be
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...?do=big&p=3111

Would driving slow over puddles help or is water going to get into the engine bay anway?Solutions??

binz · 20th April 2007, 18:53

What to do...leave it as it is OR revert to stock??

gigy · 20th April 2007, 19:09

binz, the location where you have installed is where the oem filter also takes in the air. if you have a closed cold air intake installed lately it is not recommended for rains. if you have a open kind of air intae arrangement you can use it in rains.

tadukuttan · 20th April 2007, 20:24

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Originally Posted by theMAG

If you got a cold-air intake behind the bumper, very bad.

My Elantra comes "stock" with a cold air intake, ending behind the bumper. Have posted a picture I had, and with my rather naive attempt at marking the air flow path. And I really never had trouble driving at high speeds through hard rain.

Only once did I get into trouble while wading through water, but then, the water was at the level of the bonnet! Dont think a well designed cold air intake would get you into trouble, unless of course, you are wading through water, and the water level is above your air intake opening.

theMAG · 20th April 2007, 21:45

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Originally Posted by tadukuttan

Dont think a well designed cold air intake would get you into trouble, unless of course, you are wading through water, and the water level is above your air intake opening.

Damn right. Its got to be well designed. Most aftermarket fitters are monosyllabic abt these things, unfortunately. Knowing you, I'm sure that Pete's Box and FFE were also was "stock" fitments on your Elantra.

@Binz: If I were you, the easiest thing to do during the rains is to go back to a stock filter. Else get that tubing redesigned

binz · 20th April 2007, 22:37

Okay,..Next question:
Running a stock air filter with a port job and a free flow?

mclaren1885 · 20th April 2007, 22:50

Stop cribbing .. Run it as it is .. Torrential rains in goa and elsewhere hasnt caused any harm to my engine nor the filter .. Nor anyones that I am aware of .. Unless you have a leaky bonnet or running one of those vents on the bonnet ..

esteem_lover · 20th April 2007, 23:31

Ask nitrous about what happened after a team-bhp meet in the rain. He has a Ractive conical filter which was almost submerged & he still made it.

Jaggu · 20th April 2007, 23:45

small puddles and drops falling onto the filter wont cause issue but yes avoid getting them completely wet

tadukuttan · 21st April 2007, 00:30

A long story from a Tiburon Forum - Oh crap... The Hydrolock CAI Weird Plugs Puddle Thread - Page 2 - NewTiburon.com Forums

Mike: I can't believe you are using that pipe as your CAI.

Plash: Shut up dude, it works doesn't it? And besides it makes my car sound hawt!

Mike: *blinks* No comment, anyway lets get the hell out of here. We've got that STL meet to go to and i wanna stop by jack in the box. I hear they have taco's 4 for a dollar today.

Plash: TACOS!!!

(Mike and Plash enter the tibby)

Plash: vrrooOOOMMMMM!!!!

Mike: Will you quit making that sound already! We are already running late and everytime we get in the car you make that noise with your mouth.

Plash: Yes but one day i will have my engine mimiced perfectly. Practice makes perfect you know. (Plash starts the car)

(45 minutes and 27 tacos later......)

Mike: Ok bro be carefull with all this rain we have had lately it has been flooding everywhere so watch out for puddles.

Plash: Hmmph. Shows how much you know about tibs. Don't you know that Tiburon means shark in spanish? This car was made for puddle hopping.

Mike: YOUR AN IDIOT! Damn it man i can't take you anywhere. *** is that another open beer in your hand while driving?

( The road begins to dip down and a rather large pool of water sits in the middle of it under a bridge)

Mike: Dude go left we can't make it through that.

Plash: Sure we can. And with my new CAI we even stand a better chance now that my shark car has a true under water breathing device! It doesn't just suck up and spit out air, it also works with water since it is a shark you know and my...errr ummm well n/m that.

(Plash tosses his remaining half eaten taco out the window, grips the steering wheel tightly as his knuckles turn white and waits for the light to turn green.)

Mike: ummm dude? For once in your life for the love of god plz listen to me and don't do it.

Plash: Shut up biatch, it's go time. (Plash reaches into the side door pocket and pulls out his racing goggles and an elf hat. With his racing gear on he eagerly awaits the moment the light turns green.)

Mike: Dude is that the elf hat that your ...

Plash: VRRROOOMMMM!!! (light turns green)

Mike: OMG ***!!! NOOO !!!

Plash: It's ok we are going fast enough to gingerly glide right over the top of the water. We have the power of a hyundai V6 after all!!!!

(The tibby slams nose first into the lake of water as the homemade CAI drinks it up gulp after gulp)

Plash: My plan is working perfectly, listen to that intake swallow the water as if it is a school of little fishies!! vrrooOOMMM!!!!

Mike: BAIL OUT!

(Suddenly the car makes a horrid scream as it tries to gasp for one final breath of air. It fights for it's life untill it dies out completely and black smoke fills the air.)

Mike: dude....your a dumbass.

Plash: No way dude it's not my fault. The warranty better cover this i mean come on the car is advertised as being a shark yet it can't handle the water Has to be a defect...has to be.....

Anyway, that's how it goes from the way i have heard ppl tell it. Just figured i would share the tale while on the topic of hydrolocking.

Hydrolock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry guys for the long post, could not resist...

v1p3r · 21st April 2007, 01:01

Stock location on a Baleno is safe. Have seen Elantras with busted turbos and 3 lakh bills from 2 feet of water.

humyum · 21st April 2007, 01:52

There are Dry chargers available for the K&N filters which are pretreated to repel water.Its kind of a coverin which does not allow water to enter your air filter.It is a silicone treated, polyester wrap. It contains uniform micron sized openings that allow optimum air flow.Due to the Drychargers silicone treated polyester wrap the amount of water that reaches the air filter is restricted.
Obviously u cant go scuba diving with your car with the drycharger on but little tits and tats of water that might enter the filter wont enter.
Cheers!!

msupercool · 9th February 2008, 03:57

hey guys im planning to put a cold air intake in my accent but i have heard that it gives problems in the rains as in it sucks in water, is that true?

20th April 2007, 13:43	#1
binz Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,306 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	Of rain and the universal air filter Umm...how safe is it to run unversal K&Ns and Ractives during heavy rainfall?
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20th April 2007, 13:49	#2
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	If you got a cold-air intake behind the bumper, very bad.
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20th April 2007, 13:55	#3
binz Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,306 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	Got mine exactly where the stock filter used to be http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...?do=big&p=3111 Would driving slow over puddles help or is water going to get into the engine bay anway?Solutions??
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20th April 2007, 18:53	#4
binz Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,306 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	What to do...leave it as it is OR revert to stock??
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20th April 2007, 19:09	#5
gigy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,321 Thanked: 47 Times	binz, the location where you have installed is where the oem filter also takes in the air. if you have a closed cold air intake installed lately it is not recommended for rains. if you have a open kind of air intae arrangement you can use it in rains.
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20th April 2007, 22:37	#8
binz Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,306 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	Okay,..Next question: Running a stock air filter with a port job and a free flow?
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20th April 2007, 22:50	#9
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	Stop cribbing .. Run it as it is .. Torrential rains in goa and elsewhere hasnt caused any harm to my engine nor the filter .. Nor anyones that I am aware of .. Unless you have a leaky bonnet or running one of those vents on the bonnet ..
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20th April 2007, 23:31	#10
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	Ask nitrous about what happened after a team-bhp meet in the rain. He has a Ractive conical filter which was almost submerged & he still made it.
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20th April 2007, 23:45	#11
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,904 Times	small puddles and drops falling onto the filter wont cause issue but yes avoid getting them completely wet
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21st April 2007, 00:30	#12
tadukuttan BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 241 Thanked: 24 Times	A long story from a Tiburon Forum - Oh crap... The Hydrolock CAI Weird Plugs Puddle Thread - Page 2 - NewTiburon.com Forums Mike: I can't believe you are using that pipe as your CAI. Plash: Shut up dude, it works doesn't it? And besides it makes my car sound hawt! Mike: blinks No comment, anyway lets get the hell out of here. We've got that STL meet to go to and i wanna stop by jack in the box. I hear they have taco's 4 for a dollar today. Plash: TACOS!!! (Mike and Plash enter the tibby) Plash: vrrooOOOMMMMM!!!! Mike: Will you quit making that sound already! We are already running late and everytime we get in the car you make that noise with your mouth. Plash: Yes but one day i will have my engine mimiced perfectly. Practice makes perfect you know. (Plash starts the car) (45 minutes and 27 tacos later......) Mike: Ok bro be carefull with all this rain we have had lately it has been flooding everywhere so watch out for puddles. Plash: Hmmph. Shows how much you know about tibs. Don't you know that Tiburon means shark in spanish? This car was made for puddle hopping. Mike: YOUR AN IDIOT! Damn it man i can't take you anywhere. * is that another open beer in your hand while driving? ( The road begins to dip down and a rather large pool of water sits in the middle of it under a bridge) Mike: Dude go left we can't make it through that. Plash: Sure we can. And with my new CAI we even stand a better chance now that my shark car has a true under water breathing device! It doesn't just suck up and spit out air, it also works with water since it is a shark you know and my...errr ummm well n/m that. (Plash tosses his remaining half eaten taco out the window, grips the steering wheel tightly as his knuckles turn white and waits for the light to turn green.) Mike: ummm dude? For once in your life for the love of god plz listen to me and don't do it. Plash: Shut up biatch, it's go time. (Plash reaches into the side door pocket and pulls out his racing goggles and an elf hat. With his racing gear on he eagerly awaits the moment the light turns green.) Mike: Dude is that the elf hat that your ... Plash: VRRROOOMMMM!!! (light turns green) Mike: OMG *!!! NOOO !!! Plash: It's ok we are going fast enough to gingerly glide right over the top of the water. We have the power of a hyundai V6 after all!!!! (The tibby slams nose first into the lake of water as the homemade CAI drinks it up gulp after gulp) Plash: My plan is working perfectly, listen to that intake swallow the water as if it is a school of little fishies!! vrrooOOMMM!!!! Mike: BAIL OUT! (Suddenly the car makes a horrid scream as it tries to gasp for one final breath of air. It fights for it's life untill it dies out completely and black smoke fills the air.) Mike: dude....your a dumbass. Plash: No way dude it's not my fault. The warranty better cover this i mean come on the car is advertised as being a shark yet it can't handle the water Has to be a defect...has to be..... Anyway, that's how it goes from the way i have heard ppl tell it. Just figured i would share the tale while on the topic of hydrolocking. Hydrolock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sorry guys for the long post, could not resist...
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21st April 2007, 01:01	#13
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Stock location on a Baleno is safe. Have seen Elantras with busted turbos and 3 lakh bills from 2 feet of water.
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21st April 2007, 01:52	#14
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,424 Times	There are Dry chargers available for the K&N filters which are pretreated to repel water.Its kind of a coverin which does not allow water to enter your air filter.It is a silicone treated, polyester wrap. It contains uniform micron sized openings that allow optimum air flow.Due to the Drychargers silicone treated polyester wrap the amount of water that reaches the air filter is restricted. Obviously u cant go scuba diving with your car with the drycharger on but little tits and tats of water that might enter the filter wont enter. Cheers!!
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9th February 2008, 03:57	#15
msupercool BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: mumbai Posts: 72 Thanked: 27 Times View My Garage	cold air intake hey guys im planning to put a cold air intake in my accent but i have heard that it gives problems in the rains as in it sucks in water, is that true?
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