replaced palio starter mechanism

bottle · 25th June 2007, 16:40

hey ppl,

was having some issues with a palio 1.2 elx.. on certain occasions it would not start . turning the key would give no response , ie it wouldnt even crank . first thought it was a battery issue but turned out fine

later took it to sundaram they said that it could be a problem with the starting mechanism.. first they replaced some starter sensor for 1.2k and then later on inspecting the starter motor/ mechanism said that it was totally worn out and needed to be overhauled (cost 3.5k) i said fine and gave it in

after a day they call and said that all parts are on their last legs and the entire starter mechanism needs to be replaced . (cost now 5k+ the 1.2k for faulty sensor)

service engineer said that starting probs are common around 30k kms (my car has done 35k) but havent really seen any mention of it here or at pug so just thought id get thoughts of members about this

will get details of exact parts replaced when i collect vehicle

pawan_pullarwar · 25th June 2007, 16:44

I do read it quite that "This problem is common in this car". Not in fiat but all other cars too. I do read it quite often whenever any of the strange behaviour happens to the car they say the same thing.

sreedotk · 25th June 2007, 16:58

I too had a similar issue a month and half back. My starter motor burned. It had driven about 60 odd kilometers in Sweltering heat of chennai with a fully loaded car Luggage and people. Came back home parked the car , next day found that the car does not start and the battery was dead. The culprit turned out to be a short circuited starter motor. Got it replaced for a tad less than 5 K

moralfibre · 25th June 2007, 17:08

Dont give it in bottle. Spank their backsides and make them do it right. IT IS NOT A COMMON PROBLEM but some starter solenoids of a particular batch were faulty. Guess that could be the issue?

superavi · 25th June 2007, 17:13

My Siena's done 65K plus, a matiz that's done 80K plus, the starter has had no issues. Look for other explanations before agreeing.

Superavi

Jaggu · 25th June 2007, 17:14

try to get this done under warranty coz failure at such low mileage is not acceptable.

bottle · 25th June 2007, 17:24

well have already commited so dont think i can back out now.. wanted to get it done fast especially after one day engine died in middle of junction making a u turn and i wasnt able to start it for a few mins .

will talk to them and get a proper explanation .. explanation given was that all the bushes and bearings were totally worn out so whole unit had to be replaced

edit : also car is out of wty since its crossed 3 years of age

Jaggu · 25th June 2007, 17:33

damn 3 years means you really cant do a fight for warranty, atleast ensure the new starter comes with some guarantee

nitrous · 25th June 2007, 17:42

warranty ?
electrical parts don't have warranty ,saar!

Jaggu · 25th June 2007, 17:48

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Originally Posted by nitrous

warranty ?
electrical parts don't have warranty ,saar!

saaaaaar they do have if its a part like starter!! fyi i have replaced iKON window winder motor, now ordered for ignition switch for swift D.

yes bulbs might not have, read manual and they will have the fine print and if you are referring to replacement part, then they also do have depending on the part and also the dealer also will give a time frame in which they can take responsibility.

hydrashok · 25th June 2007, 19:29

I had to replace my starter sensor about a month back. Starting trouble. [35000-odd kms. Palio 1.2 ELX PS petrol, 2002 (Sep)]

nitrous · 25th June 2007, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaggu

saaaaaar they do have if its a part like starter!! fyi i have replaced iKON window winder motor, now ordered for ignition switch for swift D.

Im sorry if u got angry. I was trying to say that the service guys use that statement.
@Bottle: Do U always go to the Sundaram A.S.S?
Did u try to procure the starter motor from the open market??

vivekiny2k · 25th June 2007, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by sreedotk

I too had a similar issue a month and half back. My starter motor burned. It had driven about 60 odd kilometers in Sweltering heat of chennai with a fully loaded car Luggage and people. Came back home parked the car , next day found that the car does not start and the battery was dead. The culprit turned out to be a short circuited starter motor. Got it replaced for a tad less than 5 K

any kind of driving would not affect the starter, it's only used to START the engine. and then it stays idle.

battery was dead? there must have been some other short circuit. AFAIK, starter motor is open circuited until you crank it with the key ON. so even if there was a short circuit inside it, it would not be connected to the battery in first place.

My experience (even here in US) has been really bad with mechanics. they are either incompetent, or greedy, when they give the costliest estimate for repairs.
one shop wanted to replace my disc and brake pads. totaling around 400$, all i needed was pad replacement ( cost 60$ with labor). same shop could (would?) not detect a problem with the radiator cap, i am guessing coz it just costs 8$ to replace.

nitrous · 25th June 2007, 19:58

OT:I thought U find good service in the US at every street corner.

low_bass_makker · 25th June 2007, 19:59

sometimes the only problem in the starter is the carbon brushes but the service guys replace the whole thing.

25th June 2007, 16:40	#1
bottle Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,634 Thanked: 274 Times View My Garage	replaced palio starter mechanism hey ppl, was having some issues with a palio 1.2 elx.. on certain occasions it would not start . turning the key would give no response , ie it wouldnt even crank . first thought it was a battery issue but turned out fine later took it to sundaram they said that it could be a problem with the starting mechanism.. first they replaced some starter sensor for 1.2k and then later on inspecting the starter motor/ mechanism said that it was totally worn out and needed to be overhauled (cost 3.5k) i said fine and gave it in after a day they call and said that all parts are on their last legs and the entire starter mechanism needs to be replaced . (cost now 5k+ the 1.2k for faulty sensor) service engineer said that starting probs are common around 30k kms (my car has done 35k) but havent really seen any mention of it here or at pug so just thought id get thoughts of members about this will get details of exact parts replaced when i collect vehicle
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25th June 2007, 16:44	#2
pawan_pullarwar BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pune - Now in Munich, Germany Posts: 778 Thanked: 129 Times	I do read it quite that "This problem is common in this car". Not in fiat but all other cars too. I do read it quite often whenever any of the strange behaviour happens to the car they say the same thing.
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25th June 2007, 16:58	#3
sreedotk BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 247 Thanked: 90 Times	I too had a similar issue a month and half back. My starter motor burned. It had driven about 60 odd kilometers in Sweltering heat of chennai with a fully loaded car Luggage and people. Came back home parked the car , next day found that the car does not start and the battery was dead. The culprit turned out to be a short circuited starter motor. Got it replaced for a tad less than 5 K
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25th June 2007, 17:08	#4
moralfibre Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MH-12 Posts: 8,449 Thanked: 13,966 Times	Dont give it in bottle. Spank their backsides and make them do it right. IT IS NOT A COMMON PROBLEM but some starter solenoids of a particular batch were faulty. Guess that could be the issue?
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25th June 2007, 17:13	#5
superavi BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 286 Thanked: 29 Times	My Siena's done 65K plus, a matiz that's done 80K plus, the starter has had no issues. Look for other explanations before agreeing. Superavi
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25th June 2007, 17:14	#6
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,902 Times	try to get this done under warranty coz failure at such low mileage is not acceptable.
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25th June 2007, 17:24	#7
bottle Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,634 Thanked: 274 Times View My Garage	well have already commited so dont think i can back out now.. wanted to get it done fast especially after one day engine died in middle of junction making a u turn and i wasnt able to start it for a few mins . will talk to them and get a proper explanation .. explanation given was that all the bushes and bearings were totally worn out so whole unit had to be replaced edit : also car is out of wty since its crossed 3 years of age
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25th June 2007, 17:33	#8
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,902 Times	damn 3 years means you really cant do a fight for warranty, atleast ensure the new starter comes with some guarantee
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25th June 2007, 17:42	#9
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	warranty ? electrical parts don't have warranty ,saar!
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25th June 2007, 19:29	#11
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,528 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	I had to replace my starter sensor about a month back. Starting trouble. [35000-odd kms. Palio 1.2 ELX PS petrol, 2002 (Sep)]
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25th June 2007, 19:58	#14
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	OT:I thought U find good service in the US at every street corner.
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25th June 2007, 19:59	#15
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,815 Thanked: 305 Times View My Garage	sometimes the only problem in the starter is the carbon brushes but the service guys replace the whole thing.
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