Pics: How a baleno clutch got changed

adityapd · 9th July 2007, 09:16

so how much did the complete change over job cost you finally ? Also , you haven't mentioned anything about the pressure plate ? was it fine in your case since generally, I 've heard the clutch and pressure plate are changed together....

~A

Jaggu · 9th July 2007, 11:07

slightly OT: it always make the life easier if you do a complete body, under body wash before you set out to work on a vehicle, car or bike for that matter. egs: muck on bolt threads are a dissastorous.

only down side is oil leak marks can disappear, then again one can do a inspection before the wash to make sure if there are any.

filcord · 9th July 2007, 15:28

I have a lot of respect for you guys - this is serious car care, and though I have no guts to try it myself, do admire you all for trying!

gigy · 9th July 2007, 18:56

shrivz,
i think you are refering to the clutch bearing which comes on the outside of clutch assembly. didnt change it this time since its a year old. had replaced the clutch bearing and clutch cable last year.
adityapd,

the clutch comes as a set (pressure plate & housing) for 1650+
flywheel 750+
rear oil seal for engine 130+
fitting charges (includes a big bolt) 650+
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3130
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rear oil seal was extra cost else would have cost only 3k. for info if i remember correctly the cable i bought last year cost Rs450 and the clutch bearing Rs200-400 range.
cant remember now a days. 30+ ho gaya age.
jaggu,
got it washed completely after the job

shrivz · 9th July 2007, 22:23

yup.. i guess its the clutch bearing..

thanks a lot for the info gigy.. really appreciate it!

ported_head · 11th July 2007, 21:09

Great pictorial. What I want to know is, how is the performance of the clutch? Have you used one of these before? My friend needs to change clutch for his Baleno too. His mechanic told us that the MGP clutches are also Ceekay or Valeo, but there is quite a difference in quality between the two. Is this true? MGP costs around 4.5K or so for the clutch assembly. While this is obviously cheaper. How long do they last?

gigy · 12th July 2007, 08:59

whats your friend's mechanic suggesting? i was told the ceekay is what Maruti installs now but i went with valeo because of the number of springs in it as per manual.
what does MGP give 4.5K? can you let me know the components they will be replacing for that amount of money?
As said earlier 3k for valeo clutch and 3.2k for ceekay. ( this doesn't include the clutch bearing and cable but included fitting)

shivshanker · 12th July 2007, 10:18

Gigy, obiviously the loss in pickup must have resulted in loss of mileage too..??!!.

I have a peculair problem, want to bounce it off you for suggestions/tips.

While continuous, not over 30-45 minutes maybe from Andheri to Sion .. in the start and stop traffic the engine RPM fluctuates from the customary 800 to over 1850 -2000.

While the needle furiously fluctuates between this range it is extremely difficult to control the vehicle at this time as the horses inside are going wild.

what do you think of this problem.?

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moralfibre · 12th July 2007, 11:37

Great pictorial there Gigy. Wish you could take some pictures of the installation because they appear a bit dark. Very helpful info.

gigy · 13th July 2007, 18:23

hi all,
moralfiber
i did go with the intension of taking many photos (cannon s2) but both set of batteries i had just gave way and had to depend on my phone for the photos. had charged them and kept last month, looks like charger fault.
shivshanker
the most immediate thing you can do for this is reset the ecu. disconnect the battery and leave it overnight. morning get up early and take her for a rip on open roads. dont overspeed or go rash. it should get in tune.
problem area may be:
-leaky or loosely connected high tension cord
-faulty spark plug( excess carbon deposits, improper gap,burned electrode etc.
-cracked ignition fitting.
-clogged fuel filter of fuel lines.
-fuel injection system out of order
-malfunctioning erg valve
get it to competent mechanic

shivshanker · 5th August 2007, 18:27

Hiya gigy, just to let you know that after having the clutch plates changed on my Baleno, my mileage and RPM fluctuating problem is now resolved.

Ps : . Any tips for maintenance of the suspensions .? I feel mine are too stiff... .

cheers! Shivshanker

spider77 · 6th August 2007, 11:55

Thanks man . its really a nice detailed and valuable explanation .

wolfinstein · 23rd December 2007, 19:29

Has anyone done a similar replacement for the Lancer, I'm looking at the replacement but am confused on what type of clutch is needed and which one to choose between Exedy, Ceekay and Valeo.

eapen · 10th October 2008, 14:09

Hi Gigy,

My Baleno has run 52000kms & the clutch has the similar problem. You can feel the engine suddenly loosing torque (clutch slip) from 3,500 rpm & then it starts holding from 4,000 rpm

I was reading your other post regarding you were not happy with Valeo clutch setup.

I am thinking of going with the 6 spring Ceekay

eapen · 10th October 2008, 18:06

Surprisingly Esteem & Baleno clutch is the same?

I have been given the Ceekay Esteem clutch setup for the Baleno - the supplier says its the same.

9th July 2007, 09:16	#16
adityapd BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, Philadelphia Posts: 288 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	so how much did the complete change over job cost you finally ? Also , you haven't mentioned anything about the pressure plate ? was it fine in your case since generally, I 've heard the clutch and pressure plate are changed together.... ~A
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9th July 2007, 11:07	#17
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,907 Times	slightly OT: it always make the life easier if you do a complete body, under body wash before you set out to work on a vehicle, car or bike for that matter. egs: muck on bolt threads are a dissastorous. only down side is oil leak marks can disappear, then again one can do a inspection before the wash to make sure if there are any.
	() Thanks

9th July 2007, 15:28	#18
filcord BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: goa Posts: 996 Thanked: 67 Times	I have a lot of respect for you guys - this is serious car care, and though I have no guts to try it myself, do admire you all for trying!
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9th July 2007, 18:56	#19
gigy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,321 Thanked: 47 Times	shrivz, i think you are refering to the clutch bearing which comes on the outside of clutch assembly. didnt change it this time since its a year old. had replaced the clutch bearing and clutch cable last year. adityapd, the clutch comes as a set (pressure plate & housing) for 1650+ flywheel 750+ rear oil seal for engine 130+ fitting charges (includes a big bolt) 650+ ---------------------- 3130 ----------------------- rear oil seal was extra cost else would have cost only 3k. for info if i remember correctly the cable i bought last year cost Rs450 and the clutch bearing Rs200-400 range. cant remember now a days. 30+ ho gaya age. jaggu, got it washed completely after the job
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9th July 2007, 22:23	#20
shrivz BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pune, MH12 Posts: 604 Thanked: 96 Times View My Garage	yup.. i guess its the clutch bearing.. thanks a lot for the info gigy.. really appreciate it!
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11th July 2007, 21:09	#21
ported_head Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 2,387 Thanked: 20 Times	Great pictorial. What I want to know is, how is the performance of the clutch? Have you used one of these before? My friend needs to change clutch for his Baleno too. His mechanic told us that the MGP clutches are also Ceekay or Valeo, but there is quite a difference in quality between the two. Is this true? MGP costs around 4.5K or so for the clutch assembly. While this is obviously cheaper. How long do they last?
	() Thanks

12th July 2007, 08:59	#22
gigy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,321 Thanked: 47 Times	whats your friend's mechanic suggesting? i was told the ceekay is what Maruti installs now but i went with valeo because of the number of springs in it as per manual. what does MGP give 4.5K? can you let me know the components they will be replacing for that amount of money? As said earlier 3k for valeo clutch and 3.2k for ceekay. ( this doesn't include the clutch bearing and cable but included fitting)
	() Thanks

12th July 2007, 10:18	#23
shivshanker BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 345 Thanked: 201 Times View My Garage	Gigy, obiviously the loss in pickup must have resulted in loss of mileage too..??!!. I have a peculair problem, want to bounce it off you for suggestions/tips. While continuous, not over 30-45 minutes maybe from Andheri to Sion .. in the start and stop traffic the engine RPM fluctuates from the customary 800 to over 1850 -2000. While the needle furiously fluctuates between this range it is extremely difficult to control the vehicle at this time as the horses inside are going wild. what do you think of this problem.? Note from Moderator: Kindly avoid using FONT formatting tags Last edited by adya33 : 12th July 2007 at 11:32.
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12th July 2007, 11:37	#24
moralfibre Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MH-12 Posts: 8,451 Thanked: 13,973 Times	Great pictorial there Gigy. Wish you could take some pictures of the installation because they appear a bit dark. Very helpful info.
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13th July 2007, 18:23	#25
gigy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,321 Thanked: 47 Times	hi all, moralfiber i did go with the intension of taking many photos (cannon s2) but both set of batteries i had just gave way and had to depend on my phone for the photos. had charged them and kept last month, looks like charger fault. shivshanker the most immediate thing you can do for this is reset the ecu. disconnect the battery and leave it overnight. morning get up early and take her for a rip on open roads. dont overspeed or go rash. it should get in tune. problem area may be: -leaky or loosely connected high tension cord -faulty spark plug( excess carbon deposits, improper gap,burned electrode etc. -cracked ignition fitting. -clogged fuel filter of fuel lines. -fuel injection system out of order -malfunctioning erg valve get it to competent mechanic
	() Thanks

5th August 2007, 18:27	#26
shivshanker BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 345 Thanked: 201 Times View My Garage	Hiya gigy, just to let you know that after having the clutch plates changed on my Baleno, my mileage and RPM fluctuating problem is now resolved. Ps : . Any tips for maintenance of the suspensions .? I feel mine are too stiff... . cheers! Shivshanker
	() Thanks

6th August 2007, 11:55	#27
spider77 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 126 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Thanks man . its really a nice detailed and valuable explanation .
	() Thanks

23rd December 2007, 19:29	#28
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 994 Thanked: 20 Times	Has anyone done a similar replacement for the Lancer, I'm looking at the replacement but am confused on what type of clutch is needed and which one to choose between Exedy, Ceekay and Valeo.
	() Thanks

10th October 2008, 14:09	#29
eapen BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 92 Thanked: 38 Times	Hi Gigy, My Baleno has run 52000kms & the clutch has the similar problem. You can feel the engine suddenly loosing torque (clutch slip) from 3,500 rpm & then it starts holding from 4,000 rpm I was reading your other post regarding you were not happy with Valeo clutch setup. I am thinking of going with the 6 spring Ceekay
	() Thanks

10th October 2008, 18:06	#30
eapen BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 92 Thanked: 38 Times	Surprisingly Esteem & Baleno clutch is the same? I have been given the Ceekay Esteem clutch setup for the Baleno - the supplier says its the same.
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