2600 kms and smoke in my Safari

wanderlust · 10th July 2007, 14:05

Its close to 3 months and 2600kms later, I have a couple of feedbacks to share with all of you.

1. Installed a Sony DVD HU with front and rear Fusion component speakers installed in the doors (total cost 25K). I have currently connected the rear view camera screen to my DVD system. Will go for a bigger screen later. Sound is pretty decent. The Sony system has got excellent sound setup, so I have optimized it to get the best sound out of the speakers.

2. My smoke problem was eliminated with I switched to Shell diesel plus System-D (1ml per liter) - this was as per the advice of the Tata service engineer. After 2 tankfulls of the Shell-SystemD combo I filled about 20 liters of normal HP diesel, just to check. The black smoke was back with a vengeance! I push the accelerator pedal with a slight urgency and the vehicle pukes out a huge puff of black smoke! I again switched to Shell-SystemD today, as soon as I pulled out of the petrol station, the smoke disappeared like magic!

3. I have hardly taken the truck on the highways, hence never exceeded 100kmph/2500 rpm till now. Vehicle returns a mileage of about 9 kmpl in city with 50% AC usage.

Guys, your feedback/comments on the speakers/ICE, black smoke, use of system D and the mileage.

Godfather · 11th July 2007, 11:29

If the Shell_SystemD works then i have to try this out..

Godfather

GTO · 11th July 2007, 11:42

Isnt really a long-term ownership report. Therefore, this thread is moved out of the reviews section.

gd1418 · 11th July 2007, 15:06

At your first oil change go for Mobil Delvac MX Multigrade for your truck. Tatas have this on thier approved oil list. Well, your truck doesn't seem to like HP diesel.

I've been using normal HP diesel without any issues and mine is of '98 vintage..

But if you are satisfied with your concoction then so be it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderlust

Its close to 3 months and 2600kms later, I have a couple of feedbacks to share with all of you.

1. Installed a Sony DVD HU with front and rear Fusion component speakers installed in the doors (total cost 25K). I have currently connected the rear view camera screen to my DVD system. Will go for a bigger screen later. Sound is pretty decent. The Sony system has got excellent sound setup, so I have optimized it to get the best sound out of the speakers.

2. My smoke problem was eliminated with I switched to Shell diesel plus System-D (1ml per liter) - this was as per the advice of the Tata service engineer. After 2 tankfulls of the Shell-SystemD combo I filled about 20 liters of normal HP diesel, just to check. The black smoke was back with a vengeance! I push the accelerator pedal with a slight urgency and the vehicle pukes out a huge puff of black smoke! I again switched to Shell-SystemD today, as soon as I pulled out of the petrol station, the smoke disappeared like magic!

3. I have hardly taken the truck on the highways, hence never exceeded 100kmph/2500 rpm till now. Vehicle returns a mileage of about 9 kmpl in city with 50% AC usage.

Guys, your feedback/comments on the speakers/ICE, black smoke, use of system D and the mileage.

wanderlust · 11th July 2007, 15:09

Thanks for the info GD, I am planning an oil change at 5K kms, thats at the first service. Tata recommends oil change at 10K kms.

Akshay1234 · 11th July 2007, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by gd1418

At your first oil change go for Mobil Delvac MX Multigrade for your truck. Tatas have this on thier approved oil list. Well, your truck doesn't seem to like HP diesel.

I've been using normal HP diesel without any issues and mine is of '98 vintage..

But if you are satisfied with your concoction then so be it.

but its mainly the crdi cars and suvs that smoke.

simply_sunny001 · 11th July 2007, 16:41

hey

every diesel car smokes once in a while,and most probably when u press the paddle just too hard,so thats no big deal.

but if the problem is persistent then u shd get it checked.

my safari has done 11500Kms in last 10 months and very rarely it throws black smoke,always used the premium diesel,though when u start the engine in morning,sometimes a puff of black smoke is thrown.

try idling the engine for a min or 2 when u start it,it helps.

dadu · 11th July 2007, 17:40

you should try IOC normal diesel and IMO systemd added to any diesel should also work since it acts like an additive.

nitrous · 11th July 2007, 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by akshay

but its mainly the crdi cars and suvs that smoke.

Then, why is my IDI Sumo smoking??
Please explain.
Or are u just posting for the sake of posting??

wanderlust · 12th July 2007, 13:30

IMO, IDI engines smoke when the injection pump is not calibrated properly. More often than not, it is not the engine's fault.

gd1418 · 12th July 2007, 15:15

What is a diesel if it doesn't smoke? Having said that, since it is a coarser fuel some smoking would always be there. One should start worrying if it starts smoking continuosly. While sudden flooring of the pedal or the first thing in the morning etc. will emit smoke, it should not be a cause for worry.

And CRDis or CRDes or TDis or CDis and SUVs don't smoke per se.

Rahulk76 · 12th July 2007, 16:05

diesel vehicles will smoke when accel is pressed in urgency and the air is to catchup with respect to the fuel injected into cylinders,
this varies & incase you are in the powerband and and turbo is spooling this doesnt happen...
I too had this problem, (details posted in another thread) and tatas, suggested me to shift to normal diesel from good quality fuel bunk and change my driving habbits(keeping it in powerband) & yes to a comfort level it has visibly decreased.

Something is really wrong with Tata's gadgetry in respect to TMAP

EGR is also one of the culprits.. Due to our bad quality of fuels

Hope this helps

Guderian · 13th July 2007, 14:13

Hi Wanderlust -I presume that the Safari is the Dicor. Next time at your ASC when you go in for servicing ask them to check out the EGR/EGR valve.It might throw up something to be done - a friend of mine with a Safari Dicor had a problem of jet black smoke at high RPMs, 3 K & abv (no smoke at low RPMs) for sometime and then they changed the EGR and the smoke trail is gone for good !

extreme_torque · 13th July 2007, 14:33

@wanderlust: Your fuel economy also seems to be on the lower side. Get your engine checked throughly using the engine check device.

Su-47 · 13th July 2007, 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guderian

a friend of mine with a Safari Dicor had a problem of jet black smoke at high RPMs, 3 K & abv (no smoke at low RPMs)

3K and above on a Safari Dicor

. How did he reach there???

10th July 2007, 14:05	#1
wanderlust BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 147 Thanked: 171 Times	2600 kms and smoke in my Safari Its close to 3 months and 2600kms later, I have a couple of feedbacks to share with all of you. 1. Installed a Sony DVD HU with front and rear Fusion component speakers installed in the doors (total cost 25K). I have currently connected the rear view camera screen to my DVD system. Will go for a bigger screen later. Sound is pretty decent. The Sony system has got excellent sound setup, so I have optimized it to get the best sound out of the speakers. 2. My smoke problem was eliminated with I switched to Shell diesel plus System-D (1ml per liter) - this was as per the advice of the Tata service engineer. After 2 tankfulls of the Shell-SystemD combo I filled about 20 liters of normal HP diesel, just to check. The black smoke was back with a vengeance! I push the accelerator pedal with a slight urgency and the vehicle pukes out a huge puff of black smoke! I again switched to Shell-SystemD today, as soon as I pulled out of the petrol station, the smoke disappeared like magic! 3. I have hardly taken the truck on the highways, hence never exceeded 100kmph/2500 rpm till now. Vehicle returns a mileage of about 9 kmpl in city with 50% AC usage. Guys, your feedback/comments on the speakers/ICE, black smoke, use of system D and the mileage.
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11th July 2007, 11:29	#2
Godfather Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore / Atlanta Posts: 1,387 Thanked: 70 Times View My Garage	If the Shell_SystemD works then i have to try this out.. Godfather
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11th July 2007, 11:42	#3
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,530 Thanked: 300,729 Times View My Garage	Isnt really a long-term ownership report. Therefore, this thread is moved out of the reviews section.
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11th July 2007, 15:09	#5
wanderlust BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 147 Thanked: 171 Times	Thanks for the info GD, I am planning an oil change at 5K kms, thats at the first service. Tata recommends oil change at 10K kms.
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11th July 2007, 16:41	#7
simply_sunny001 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London & Rohtak Posts: 1,340 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	hey every diesel car smokes once in a while,and most probably when u press the paddle just too hard,so thats no big deal. but if the problem is persistent then u shd get it checked. my safari has done 11500Kms in last 10 months and very rarely it throws black smoke,always used the premium diesel,though when u start the engine in morning,sometimes a puff of black smoke is thrown. try idling the engine for a min or 2 when u start it,it helps.
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11th July 2007, 17:40	#8
dadu Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,803 Thanked: 462 Times View My Garage	you should try IOC normal diesel and IMO systemd added to any diesel should also work since it acts like an additive.
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12th July 2007, 13:30	#10
wanderlust BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 147 Thanked: 171 Times	IMO, IDI engines smoke when the injection pump is not calibrated properly. More often than not, it is not the engine's fault.
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12th July 2007, 15:15	#11
gd1418 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,578 Thanked: 728 Times View My Garage	What is a diesel if it doesn't smoke? Having said that, since it is a coarser fuel some smoking would always be there. One should start worrying if it starts smoking continuosly. While sudden flooring of the pedal or the first thing in the morning etc. will emit smoke, it should not be a cause for worry. And CRDis or CRDes or TDis or CDis and SUVs don't smoke per se.
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12th July 2007, 16:05	#12
Rahulk76 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 1,149 Thanked: 235 Times	diesel vehicles will smoke when accel is pressed in urgency and the air is to catchup with respect to the fuel injected into cylinders, this varies & incase you are in the powerband and and turbo is spooling this doesnt happen... I too had this problem, (details posted in another thread) and tatas, suggested me to shift to normal diesel from good quality fuel bunk and change my driving habbits(keeping it in powerband) & yes to a comfort level it has visibly decreased. Something is really wrong with Tata's gadgetry in respect to TMAP EGR is also one of the culprits.. Due to our bad quality of fuels Hope this helps
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13th July 2007, 14:13	#13
Guderian Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Thane Posts: 1,616 Thanked: 1,457 Times View My Garage	Hi Wanderlust -I presume that the Safari is the Dicor. Next time at your ASC when you go in for servicing ask them to check out the EGR/EGR valve.It might throw up something to be done - a friend of mine with a Safari Dicor had a problem of jet black smoke at high RPMs, 3 K & abv (no smoke at low RPMs) for sometime and then they changed the EGR and the smoke trail is gone for good !
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13th July 2007, 14:33	#14
extreme_torque Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 4,377 Thanked: 5,105 Times	@wanderlust: Your fuel economy also seems to be on the lower side. Get your engine checked throughly using the engine check device.
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