Optra magnum -Hyundai elantra -same engine ??

greatmana2000 · 15th July 2007, 10:47

HI ,

I had thought of buying a magnum and while comparing cars in the same segment found that the magnum and the elantra have the same engine by VM Motori -both are 1991 cc and develop almost the same power as well as torque . DO you guys know if they are the same engines by any chance ?I would like to know as ,even if GM discontinues the car ,may be the spares can be sourced from Hyundai ?

shuvc · 15th July 2007, 10:53

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Originally Posted by greatmana2000

DO you guys know if they are the same engines by any chance ?

Could be. @shuvd was telling me that the block is probably the same.

Rudra Sen · 15th July 2007, 10:54

Where did you find this? Is there any link?

greatmana2000 · 15th July 2007, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Rudra Sen

Where did you find this? Is there any link?

VM Motori S.p.A.

thats the daewoo agreement link and we already know that hyundai sources its engines from VM motori .

Most probably the engine block ,pistons ,cams are the same except the ECM .

even the new embera also has the 1991 cc diesel .

So I guess a ECM swap could probably make the Elantra much faster .

Anwyas I was talking with a guy at Sundaram motors and he says GM over the next few months will be launching the CAPTIVA in the 15 lks price bracket .

manikjeet · 15th July 2007, 11:08

now this is a news to me

i think they share the engine block will confirm and spread more light on it

PS dad works were the head block is made

Steeroid · 15th July 2007, 11:21

Both engines are from Detroit Diesel - its only the newer Elantra, Verna etc that have Hyundai's own diesels.

Therefore its quite possible they're the same. However the new Elantra features a 142 bhp engine.

ajmat · 15th July 2007, 11:38

Hyundai sources its engines from Detroit Diesel

shuvd · 15th July 2007, 12:00

I think that both the engines are same. Same displacement of 1991cc and from the same manufacturer. I have the Elantra CRDi and TD'ed the Magnum yesterday. The Magnum did feel like the Elantra with a few more horses. Now I don't have any idea of the speeds we were doing as the Magnum speedo was disconnected but the engine felt quite familiar. Yes, the clatter was missing from the Magnum and maybe it uses a current gen common rail tech but I have a strong suspicion that the block is same. Gurus, can you shed some light?

shuvd · 15th July 2007, 12:06

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Originally Posted by ajmat

Hyundai sources its engines from Detroit Diesel

Sir, agreed. But, the following statement is from ACI July 2007, pg 49.
"The Optra's diesel motor is not designed by Chevrolet or Daewoo, but by another company that was recently acquired by GM; Detroit Diesel that now includes VM Motori of Italy."

@ steeroid - Sir, maybe the new Elantra has the same engine but with VGT. Just like the Embera.

Steeroid · 15th July 2007, 12:11

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Originally Posted by ajmat

Hyundai sources its engines from Detroit Diesel

Not anymore - just the first batch of CRDi engines.

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Originally Posted by shuvd

@ steeroid - Sir, maybe the new Elantra has the same engine but with VGT. Just like the Embera.

1. There are no 'Sir's here - everyone has the same petrol flowing in their veins.

2. The new Elantra's engine is not the same engine with VGT. They offer two states of tune on all their new engines - with vgt and without.

mclaren1885 · 15th July 2007, 12:20

AFAIK every elantra engine (sold in India) were the Detroit ones. The Verna engines are now a hyundai manufac only.

IMP · 16th July 2007, 08:31

It seems that both the engines are same, got this from the VM motori website

"This engine is not currently produced by VM Motori but is produced under license by GM Daewoo and Hyundai M.C. in versions suitable to the respective applications."

here is the link to that page.
VM Motori S.p.A.

artofzen · 16th July 2007, 10:19

I thot GM and Suzuki sourced the diesel engine from FIAT,which inturn sources it from VM MOTORI?

greatmana2000 · 17th July 2007, 19:35

Seems its a case of old bride in a new saree ..hmmz

reignofchaos · 17th July 2007, 22:12

AFAIK its the same engine in different states of tune. However the old elantra is a much better handling car than the Optra. No clues as to which will be a faster car on track

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15th July 2007, 10:47	#1
greatmana2000 BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: chennai Posts: 703 Thanked: 58 Times	Optra magnum -Hyundai elantra -same engine ?? HI , I had thought of buying a magnum and while comparing cars in the same segment found that the magnum and the elantra have the same engine by VM Motori -both are 1991 cc and develop almost the same power as well as torque . DO you guys know if they are the same engines by any chance ?I would like to know as ,even if GM discontinues the car ,may be the spares can be sourced from Hyundai ?
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Rudra Sen Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 11,590 Thanked: 6,532 Times View My Garage	Where did you find this? Is there any link?
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manikjeet Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: chandigarh Posts: 1,618 Thanked: 295 Times View My Garage	now this is a news to me i think they share the engine block will confirm and spread more light on it PS dad works were the head block is made Last edited by manikjeet : 15th July 2007 at 11:11.
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Steeroid Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N.A Posts: 7,046 Thanked: 2,751 Times	Both engines are from Detroit Diesel - its only the newer Elantra, Verna etc that have Hyundai's own diesels. Therefore its quite possible they're the same. However the new Elantra features a 142 bhp engine.
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ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,864 Thanked: 27,975 Times View My Garage	Hyundai sources its engines from Detroit Diesel
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15th July 2007, 12:00	#8
shuvd Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 1,081 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	I think that both the engines are same. Same displacement of 1991cc and from the same manufacturer. I have the Elantra CRDi and TD'ed the Magnum yesterday. The Magnum did feel like the Elantra with a few more horses. Now I don't have any idea of the speeds we were doing as the Magnum speedo was disconnected but the engine felt quite familiar. Yes, the clatter was missing from the Magnum and maybe it uses a current gen common rail tech but I have a strong suspicion that the block is same. Gurus, can you shed some light?
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mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	AFAIK every elantra engine (sold in India) were the Detroit ones. The Verna engines are now a hyundai manufac only. Last edited by mclaren1885 : 15th July 2007 at 12:21.
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16th July 2007, 08:31	#12
IMP BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 123 Thanked: 30 Times	It seems that both the engines are same, got this from the VM motori website "This engine is not currently produced by VM Motori but is produced under license by GM Daewoo and Hyundai M.C. in versions suitable to the respective applications." here is the link to that page. VM Motori S.p.A.
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artofzen BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: VOCI-LHR Posts: 735 Thanked: 68 Times View My Garage	I thot GM and Suzuki sourced the diesel engine from FIAT,which inturn sources it from VM MOTORI?
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greatmana2000 BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: chennai Posts: 703 Thanked: 58 Times	Seems its a case of old bride in a new saree ..hmmz
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17th July 2007, 22:12	#15
reignofchaos Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,542 Thanked: 2,450 Times View My Garage	AFAIK its the same engine in different states of tune. However the old elantra is a much better handling car than the Optra. No clues as to which will be a faster car on track .
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