Squeking Sound From My Esteem

hell boy · 9th December 2007, 20:47

HI guys this is ELVIS (hell boy) I have some troblem with my 1997 carb maruthi esteem.As I have brought this car form one of my uncle and i'm now facing some issues with it the car is good from ever aspect the only thing i have a problem with is the engine. I have lately heard a squeking sound from my engine. So took it to my machanic he thought that it was the sound of my timing belt so i went ahead and changed the timing bealt and a gear that is conected to the timing belt but still the noise wont stop so what he said that he will go ahead and service the head which he did and i was also there in front of him when he was doing it .He found that the oil pump of my engine was choked so i went ahead and change the oil pump that was choked.

And now after 2 days i see that the noise is still there but it is worst this time as there was some tappit sound as well so took it back and told him about it so the said that he had found the problem it was when the oil pump was chocked it did not supply proper oil to the conecting rod bearing so he says that he has to go ahed and get the engine opened and service the whole engine and it will work like new and he said that it will cost around 10k to 15k to do this and my car had ran only 68743 km till date so psl advice me what to do should i take a second advice or go ahead and do the work that he says .............

help

Pankaj401 · 10th December 2007, 18:39

Take a view from MASS rather than just one mechanic.

Jaggu · 10th December 2007, 22:52

did you check the water pump? and pulleys?

take it to a reliable M.A.S.S

esteem_lover · 10th December 2007, 23:08

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Originally Posted by hell boy

HI guys this is ELVIS (hell boy) I have some troblem with my 1997 carb maruthi esteem.As I have brought this car form one of my uncle and i'm now facing some issues with it the car is good from ever aspect the only thing i have a problem with is the engine. I have lately heard a squeking sound from my engine. So took it to my machanic he thought that it was the sound of my timing belt so i went ahead and changed the timing bealt and a gear that is conected to the timing belt but still the noise wont stop so what he said that he will go ahead and service the head which he did and i was also there in front of him when he was doing it .He found that the oil pump of my engine was choked so i went ahead and change the oil pump that was choked.

And now after 2 days i see that the noise is still there but it is worst this time as there was some tappit sound as well so took it back and told him about it so the said that he had found the problem it was when the oil pump was chocked it did not supply proper oil to the conecting rod bearing so he says that he has to go ahed and get the engine opened and service the whole engine and it will work like new and he said that it will cost around 10k to 15k to do this and my car had ran only 68743 km till date so psl advice me what to do should i take a second advice or go ahead and do the work that he says .............

help

from what you have said here, it looks like your mechanic is hell bent on squeezing you of every paise that you got. get a second opinion (from MASS preferably)

10th December 2007, 23:40

Check wheater the timing belt is fixed properly or not, sometimes the timing belt might be loose and you might get these kinda noise, its important that it is fixed properly

DirtyDan · 11th December 2007, 17:49

Start the car. Take a bar of soap and press it firmly against the belt so that the side of the belt that makes contact with the pulleys is picking up soap. See if this stops or changes the sound you are hearing after a minute or two. If it does, it is a belt problem. The belt is not tight enough, about to wear out, or the belt tensioner is broken.

Also, check the tension of the belt. If you press on it with your hand (with engine stopped!!!!) the belt should have about 1 inch of play in it.

This would be lucky for you if it is just a belt problem. However, that ticking noise does not sound good.

iceman91 · 11th December 2007, 18:09

agree with the others the mech could be messing with you..for eg the tappet sound would definitely come afte he serviced the head cos you have to get them adjusted and he would not have done this properly after the head service.
also if the engine had to be opened and checked it will not cost 15k. unless you are looking at replacing pistons or con rods
definitely check elsewhere
try dan's suggestion I too am inclined toward timing belt and tensioner
also check the other belts..they may squeek

Jaggu · 11th December 2007, 18:58

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Originally Posted by DirtyDan

Start the car. Take a bar of soap and press it firmly against the belt so that the side of the belt that makes contact with the pulleys is picking up soap. See if this stops or changes the sound you are hearing after a minute or two. If it does, it is a belt problem. The belt is not tight enough, about to wear out, or the belt tensioner is broken.

Also, check the tension of the belt. If you press on it with your hand (with engine stopped!!!!) the belt should have about 1 inch of play in it.

This would be lucky for you if it is just a belt problem. However, that ticking noise does not sound good.

Please donot do this on an esteem, the belts are in a tight position and you will land up injuring your hands.

Also play in an esteem will NOT be one inch, it will have a very minor up n down movement.

hell boy · 11th December 2007, 18:59

Thanks guys for your suggestion will work on the suggestions given and will reply back.

DirtyDan · 11th December 2007, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

Please donot do this on an esteem, the belts are in a tight position and you will land up injuring your hands.

Also play in an esteem will NOT be one inch, it will have a very minor up n down movement.

Nit picking posts like yours are very tiresome. I think an adult can put soap on a belt without "injuring his hands". If he can not, he should not be driving a car.

rr_zen · 11th December 2007, 22:30

Another simple way to find if its a problem with the belt is to sprinkle some water over it. If the sound stops momentarily and returns later then is for sure a problem with the belt. This is out of my experience.

Jaggu · 11th December 2007, 22:51

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Originally Posted by DirtyDan

Nit picking posts like yours are very tiresome. I think an adult can put soap on a belt without "injuring his hands". If he can not, he should not be driving a car.

sorry if i tired you, but there are a lot of new bees who might not be really equipped to do what you have mentioned, putting soap on a esteem belt which resides precariously close to chasis side member, and that too with engine running !!

again, hope you have some idea of what kind of belt esteem engine uses ?? and the issues when something like soap is introduced into the equation?? i suggest you google some more before suggesting home made remedies, which can even lead to bigger issues.

I again apologize if i offended you, but that was not the idea

esteem_lover · 12th December 2007, 00:49

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Originally Posted by DirtyDan

Nit picking posts like yours are very tiresome. I think an adult can put soap on a belt without "injuring his hands". If he can not, he should not be driving a car.

DD, i find that comment awfully misplaced. A driver/owner need not be capable of actually doing something so silly. First advice that you will read in any safety manual is not to put your hand inside a running mechanical device. If you had chosen to do that then it is your hand & your life, please do not presume that is the standard. Hope you understand.

hollywoodhogan · 12th December 2007, 01:05

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Originally Posted by DirtyDan

Start the car. Take a bar of soap and press it firmly against the belt so that the side of the belt that makes contact with the pulleys is picking up soap. See if this stops or changes the sound you are hearing after a minute or two. If it does, it is a belt problem. The belt is not tight enough, about to wear out, or the belt tensioner is broken.

Also, check the tension of the belt. If you press on it with your hand (with engine stopped!!!!) the belt should have about 1 inch of play in it.

This would be lucky for you if it is just a belt problem. However, that ticking noise does not sound good.

bar of soap pressed onto a running belt? well i agree with you cos i guess that in most cases this "soapy trick" would identify the problem cos it could ensure a damaged hand and no need to start/drive the car for quite a while. and 1" of play? too much. belts are good enough that if it starts to squeal then its mostly a worn belt. replace it!

like its often said "when all else fails read the instruction manual".

DirtyDan · 12th December 2007, 18:21

I'll tell you what, let's let "Hell Boy", the thread originator, decide what is best for his own safety, okay all you highly concerned safe citizens? The soap trick has been around a long time because it often works.

9th December 2007, 20:47	#1
hell boy BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 110 Thanked: 14 Times	Squeking Sound From My Esteem HI guys this is ELVIS (hell boy) I have some troblem with my 1997 carb maruthi esteem.As I have brought this car form one of my uncle and i'm now facing some issues with it the car is good from ever aspect the only thing i have a problem with is the engine. I have lately heard a squeking sound from my engine. So took it to my machanic he thought that it was the sound of my timing belt so i went ahead and changed the timing bealt and a gear that is conected to the timing belt but still the noise wont stop so what he said that he will go ahead and service the head which he did and i was also there in front of him when he was doing it .He found that the oil pump of my engine was choked so i went ahead and change the oil pump that was choked. And now after 2 days i see that the noise is still there but it is worst this time as there was some tappit sound as well so took it back and told him about it so the said that he had found the problem it was when the oil pump was chocked it did not supply proper oil to the conecting rod bearing so he says that he has to go ahed and get the engine opened and service the whole engine and it will work like new and he said that it will cost around 10k to 15k to do this and my car had ran only 68743 km till date so psl advice me what to do should i take a second advice or go ahead and do the work that he says ............. help
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10th December 2007, 18:39	#2
Pankaj401 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 215 Thanked: 6 Times	Take a view from MASS rather than just one mechanic.
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10th December 2007, 22:52	#3
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,906 Times	did you check the water pump? and pulleys? take it to a reliable M.A.S.S
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10th December 2007, 23:40	#5
gump Posts: n/a	Check wheater the timing belt is fixed properly or not, sometimes the timing belt might be loose and you might get these kinda noise, its important that it is fixed properly
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11th December 2007, 17:49	#6
DirtyDan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dharamsala, H.P Posts: 2,075 Thanked: 1,564 Times	Soap Start the car. Take a bar of soap and press it firmly against the belt so that the side of the belt that makes contact with the pulleys is picking up soap. See if this stops or changes the sound you are hearing after a minute or two. If it does, it is a belt problem. The belt is not tight enough, about to wear out, or the belt tensioner is broken. Also, check the tension of the belt. If you press on it with your hand (with engine stopped!!!!) the belt should have about 1 inch of play in it. This would be lucky for you if it is just a belt problem. However, that ticking noise does not sound good.
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11th December 2007, 18:09	#7
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	agree with the others the mech could be messing with you..for eg the tappet sound would definitely come afte he serviced the head cos you have to get them adjusted and he would not have done this properly after the head service. also if the engine had to be opened and checked it will not cost 15k. unless you are looking at replacing pistons or con rods definitely check elsewhere try dan's suggestion I too am inclined toward timing belt and tensioner also check the other belts..they may squeek
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11th December 2007, 18:59	#9
hell boy BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 110 Thanked: 14 Times	Thanks guys for your suggestion will work on the suggestions given and will reply back.
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11th December 2007, 22:30	#11
rr_zen Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 1,799 Thanked: 400 Times View My Garage	Another simple way to find if its a problem with the belt is to sprinkle some water over it. If the sound stops momentarily and returns later then is for sure a problem with the belt. This is out of my experience.
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12th December 2007, 18:21	#15
DirtyDan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dharamsala, H.P Posts: 2,075 Thanked: 1,564 Times	Let him decide I'll tell you what, let's let "Hell Boy", the thread originator, decide what is best for his own safety, okay all you highly concerned safe citizens? The soap trick has been around a long time because it often works.
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