SWIFT Petrol Engine jerk

subbarao · 17th April 2008, 19:43

Hi,

As you all know i have swift Vxi from jan2007, till date odo shows 16500km's, at the 13,5oo km's above said problem started, i am the slow driver, i start move at 1st gear upto 10-15 km/h then to 2nd, between 20-25 i will move to 3rd, after 45 i will change to 4th, after 55 only i will push to 5th, Engine jerk[as per Mr. Lokesh, suraksha] start's at 3rd/4th gear, it's like cutting/stoppage of electrical supply to the spark plug for less than a second, it will continue for few jerk's & will be normal at high speed.

On 8th of Mar.[at 15144km's on odo meter] at suraksha, they changed the all Spark plugs, & 2 no's of DDIL COIL POLE Joint with spring[pole with plug connector] in the test drive itself i found that the problem disappeared & become normal condition.

Last saturday i went to Horanadu-shringeri long trip covering arond 750 km's, for 2 day's, while coming back in the slow traffic,[after dasarahalli] i started feeling above said problem again

and got few jerk's in last 2day's in city traffic,

Is thier any other TBHpian who own's swift & got like this problem?? or any suggestion please.........

clevermax · 17th April 2008, 20:14

Are you mixing up normal and premium fuels in every alternate refills or so?

sanjayatarizona · 17th April 2008, 20:44

Hallelujah. The exact same problem with my Santro for the past few days. I am looking forward to suggestions..

DieselFan · 17th April 2008, 22:03

not so clean fuel injectors can be one of the reason. use System G

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Jaggu · 17th April 2008, 22:07

Have your ruled out clutch setting and idle rpm setting. Had same issue with the Petrol swift i use, some clutch play adjusting and things were fine.

Otherwise, air filter, fuel filter and plugs should be checked first. Then move to throttle body and injector cleaning and finally to coils.

vnabhi · 17th April 2008, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by DieselFan

not so clean fuel injectors can be one of the reason. use System G

.

Yes, this could be the likely cause.

I would also like to narrate a similar thing happened to me on my M 800 a decade ago, but it was a non-MPFI car, so I am not sure if it is pertinent here. I got the same jerks in the same gears at speeds below 40 to 50, and was forced to drive at high speeds. On diagnosis, it was a faulty condenser, that cost only Rs 70. The problem disappeared on replacement.

subbarao · 18th April 2008, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by clevermax

Are you mixing up normal and premium fuels in every alternate refills or so?

No, i never filled premium fuel, only shell unleaded used.

subbarao · 18th April 2008, 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by DieselFan

not so clean fuel injectors can be one of the reason. use System G

.

Hi,

Required more info on System G

vnabhi · 18th April 2008, 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by subbarao

Hi,

Required more info on System G

It is a fuel additive available in Ford workshops. It costs Rs 250 for a bottle of 250 ml. You need to add 1 ml for each liter of petrol.I generally add 25 ml whenever I top up with 25 litres of petrol.

DieselFan · 18th April 2008, 12:59

System G and D are also available in most BPCL/IBP Petrol pumps.

for more details and FAQ on System G or System D please refer to - IFTEX- fuel additives

karanraheja · 18th April 2008, 13:05

I had faced the same problem when i test Drove a Swift VXI. I got my Swift P 10 days back and i have faced the problem only once after running it for 400 kms !

subbarao · 18th July 2008, 23:46

Hi,

After 4 months i opening this thread again to inform you that, the jerking problem has been solved allmost 99% in suraksha, from last 20 day's i have not experienced the jerk's,

Total 7 visit's to surakshaa for the same problem.

At first step they have changed the spark plug's, spark plug ignitors also replaced with new one, but jerking not stopped.

All electrical connection's checked, & Tech 2 analyser has been connected to ECU, but No error found.

Fuel Injector's cleaned..........

Throttle body cleaned at 6th visit..... after this no jerking found/experienced.

Mean while i filled the fuel[only 5 ltr's at different bunk not regular bunk] & driven about 2km's from bunk, again 3-4 jerk's........

Next day i went to service station, they decided to check the fuel tank for any dust accumulation....below are the photo's which explains the same....

aaggoswami · 19th July 2008, 00:02

IMO, the dust/dirt accululation is surely higher than normal.
This means that mostly its the quality of fuel that was creating problem.

theMAG · 19th July 2008, 00:08

Fill in company owned/government operated bunks only, now that Shell normal is no more. It wont give you 100% protection against bad fuel but offers significantly higher chances of clean fuel over private bunks.

sudev · 19th July 2008, 07:29

I saw this thread only now and fully agree with as similar happened with me on my GV. This was after I topped up a tank at a bunk near Bikaner and before I reached Nagaur (150km) the situation had become so bad that I was barely able to get it moving. Ultimately at Maruti *** in Nagaur I got the tank opened up and was greeted with similar scene of chicked up filter. Once it was cleaned no problems.
Again about three months later I got fuel from another bunk near Bikaner and it was sense of deja-vu. This time I kept a sample of petriol and was suprised to see that after some time there was a layer at bottom. The query with Indian Oil (both times it was Indian Oil bunks) rvealed that they had started doing some additive mix recently and this was the likely result of that.
BUT both times instead of normal fuel I had topped up with Premium as they did not have normal. Been to Biakener a few more times but no problem, only I have started using BP wherever possible and stick to normal,

17th April 2008, 19:43	#1
subbarao BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 241 Thanked: 40 Times View My Garage	SWIFT Petrol Engine jerk Hi, As you all know i have swift Vxi from jan2007, till date odo shows 16500km's, at the 13,5oo km's above said problem started, i am the slow driver, i start move at 1st gear upto 10-15 km/h then to 2nd, between 20-25 i will move to 3rd, after 45 i will change to 4th, after 55 only i will push to 5th, Engine jerk[as per Mr. Lokesh, suraksha] start's at 3rd/4th gear, it's like cutting/stoppage of electrical supply to the spark plug for less than a second, it will continue for few jerk's & will be normal at high speed. On 8th of Mar.[at 15144km's on odo meter] at suraksha, they changed the all Spark plugs, & 2 no's of DDIL COIL POLE Joint with spring[pole with plug connector] in the test drive itself i found that the problem disappeared & become normal condition. Last saturday i went to Horanadu-shringeri long trip covering arond 750 km's, for 2 day's, while coming back in the slow traffic,[after dasarahalli] i started feeling above said problem again and got few jerk's in last 2day's in city traffic, Is thier any other TBHpian who own's swift & got like this problem?? or any suggestion please......... Last edited by subbarao : 17th April 2008 at 19:46.
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17th April 2008, 20:14	#2
clevermax Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tvm/Amsterdam Posts: 2,086 Thanked: 2,640 Times View My Garage	Are you mixing up normal and premium fuels in every alternate refills or so?
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17th April 2008, 20:44	#3
sanjayatarizona BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: "God's own Shaap" Posts: 354 Thanked: 10 Times	Hallelujah. The exact same problem with my Santro for the past few days. I am looking forward to suggestions..
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17th April 2008, 22:03	#4
DieselFan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,584 Thanked: 259 Times	not so clean fuel injectors can be one of the reason. use System G.
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17th April 2008, 22:07	#5
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,213 Thanked: 15,901 Times	Have your ruled out clutch setting and idle rpm setting. Had same issue with the Petrol swift i use, some clutch play adjusting and things were fine. Otherwise, air filter, fuel filter and plugs should be checked first. Then move to throttle body and injector cleaning and finally to coils.
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18th April 2008, 12:59	#10
DieselFan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,584 Thanked: 259 Times	System G and D are also available in most BPCL/IBP Petrol pumps. for more details and FAQ on System G or System D please refer to - IFTEX- fuel additives Last edited by DieselFan : 18th April 2008 at 13:02.
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18th April 2008, 13:05	#11
karanraheja Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 436 Times	I had faced the same problem when i test Drove a Swift VXI. I got my Swift P 10 days back and i have faced the problem only once after running it for 400 kms !
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18th July 2008, 23:46	#12
subbarao BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 241 Thanked: 40 Times View My Garage	Hi, After 4 months i opening this thread again to inform you that, the jerking problem has been solved allmost 99% in suraksha, from last 20 day's i have not experienced the jerk's, Total 7 visit's to surakshaa for the same problem. At first step they have changed the spark plug's, spark plug ignitors also replaced with new one, but jerking not stopped. All electrical connection's checked, & Tech 2 analyser has been connected to ECU, but No error found. Fuel Injector's cleaned.......... Throttle body cleaned at 6th visit..... after this no jerking found/experienced. Mean while i filled the fuel[only 5 ltr's at different bunk not regular bunk] & driven about 2km's from bunk, again 3-4 jerk's........ Next day i went to service station, they decided to check the fuel tank for any dust accumulation....below are the photo's which explains the same.... Attached Thumbnails Last edited by subbarao : 18th July 2008 at 23:47.
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19th July 2008, 00:02	#13
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,982 Thanked: 2,931 Times	IMO, the dust/dirt accululation is surely higher than normal. This means that mostly its the quality of fuel that was creating problem.
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19th July 2008, 00:08	#14
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	Fill in company owned/government operated bunks only, now that Shell normal is no more. It wont give you 100% protection against bad fuel but offers significantly higher chances of clean fuel over private bunks.
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19th July 2008, 07:29	#15
sudev Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,838 Thanked: 3,179 Times	I saw this thread only now and fully agree with as similar happened with me on my GV. This was after I topped up a tank at a bunk near Bikaner and before I reached Nagaur (150km) the situation had become so bad that I was barely able to get it moving. Ultimately at Maruti *** in Nagaur I got the tank opened up and was greeted with similar scene of chicked up filter. Once it was cleaned no problems. Again about three months later I got fuel from another bunk near Bikaner and it was sense of deja-vu. This time I kept a sample of petriol and was suprised to see that after some time there was a layer at bottom. The query with Indian Oil (both times it was Indian Oil bunks) rvealed that they had started doing some additive mix recently and this was the likely result of that. BUT both times instead of normal fuel I had topped up with Premium as they did not have normal. Been to Biakener a few more times but no problem, only I have started using BP wherever possible and stick to normal,
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