Problem in shifting to lower gear

viper · 10th June 2008, 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by harsha.cs1

Hi pals,
i have noticed that the clutch releases a little late. that is when i release the bottom half movement of the clutch, the gear is not fully engaged, it is the few centimetres of the latter(upper) half of the clutch release that engages the gear fully.
so, in addition to the above diagnosis, is my clutch open to setting?
Regards,
Harsha

Hi Harsha,

It seems you have both problems in your car weak/worn out pressure plate and synchro problems. There is no setting on hydraulic clutch in this car.

As regards the synchro Amit has already replied.

Would suggest you take it to Tbhpian Psycho who can diagnose & rectify the problem for you.

Viper

iceman91 · 10th June 2008, 16:57

Yes, he will rectify it and add a little oomph factor to if interested

harsha.cs1 · 11th June 2008, 14:21

Thanks for your response guys. Let me seek psycho's help on this then!

SirAlec · 11th June 2008, 20:17

1. simplest first solution is , try to bleed the clutch.
2. Gear lever bushes etc.
3. replacement of clutch and pressure plate

synchromesh is unlikely.

Rocky_Balboa · 23rd June 2011, 19:30

Hey Folks,

Long time since I wrote here, but I am writing with a problem in my Swift VDI. In the past couple of weeks, I have been having problems engaging the 2nd gear while downshifting from 3rd. This wasnt happening all the times but most of the times. I am able to engage 2nd from 1st, but not from 3rd of neutral with the engine running. I tried to engage without the engine running as well and it wouldnt engage all the times.

I had the SA do the following:
1.Clutch adjustment - didnt solve the issue
2.Shifter bushes - fine
3.Linkages - removed the linkage and tried to engage directly on the box, issue persists

The SA suspects its the synchro ring and says the entire dogclutch assembly has to be changed if its so. He hasnt opened the GB yet.

Its a 2007 model having clocked about 67K kms. I know I havent driven it hard - the brake-pad is being changed for first time and I got 58K kms out of my Michelins before changing them.

Advice phlease.
TIA.

Rocky_Balboa · 24th June 2011, 13:41

The SA is still waiting to confirm the availability of dogclutch assembly. And the bad news is that I had taken Extended warranty only for the 3rd year - which essentially means I ll have to bear the ~10k charges for the synchro issue.

However my biggest concern is about problems that may occur, from opening the gearbox; having read similar issues here.

Still waiting!

kalpeshc · 5th July 2011, 12:04

I don't know whether I have a problem similar to this as I've not driven much. Lately when I shift to 1st in my year old very less run i20 (3500 kms only), there's some resistance and I have to push the lever to slot in 1st. This was not the case in the past. The gear shifts used to be literally butter smooth. What may have changed?

anilisanil · 5th July 2011, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalpeshc

I don't know whether I have a problem similar to this as I've not driven much. Lately when I shift to 1st in my year old very less run i20 (3500 kms only), there's some resistance and I have to push the lever to slot in 1st. This was not the case in the past. The gear shifts used to be literally butter smooth. What may have changed?

I have the same problem with my year old (17000 KMS) Figo diesel too. Slotting into first gear requires some effort. This does not happen with other gears, nor with first to second. What could be the issue?

kamal.sn · 5th July 2011, 20:46

I am facing a similar problem in my Tucson. I feel a pushback ( not sure it it is called grinding) ) sometimes when i upshift/downshift to the second gear. Also shifting to first gear requires a lot of effort unless the car is at a speed of less than 10 kmph or stationary. I also feel that the car would stall when it is in the second gear if the speed is between 10 and 20 kmph so most of the time i end up driving in the first gear and only upshift when the speed nears 20 kmph.

I have noticed these issues only after the clutch job ( clutch plate and pressure plate change ) and am afraid that the replacement timeline ( 6 months / 10,000 kms) for the clutch plate/pressure plate will expire and may have to pay again if there is any issue with the same.

I have already got the clutch bled a couple of days after the clutch job.

10th June 2008, 16:57	#17
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	Yes, he will rectify it and add a little oomph factor to if interested
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11th June 2008, 14:21	#18
harsha.cs1 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 224 Thanked: 2 Times	Thanks for your response guys. Let me seek psycho's help on this then!
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11th June 2008, 20:17	#19
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,393 Thanked: 726 Times	1. simplest first solution is , try to bleed the clutch. 2. Gear lever bushes etc. 3. replacement of clutch and pressure plate synchromesh is unlikely.
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23rd June 2011, 19:30	#20
Rocky_Balboa BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Namma Bengalooru Posts: 676 Thanked: 358 Times View My Garage	Re: Problem in shifting to lower gear Hey Folks, Long time since I wrote here, but I am writing with a problem in my Swift VDI. In the past couple of weeks, I have been having problems engaging the 2nd gear while downshifting from 3rd. This wasnt happening all the times but most of the times. I am able to engage 2nd from 1st, but not from 3rd of neutral with the engine running. I tried to engage without the engine running as well and it wouldnt engage all the times. I had the SA do the following: 1.Clutch adjustment - didnt solve the issue 2.Shifter bushes - fine 3.Linkages - removed the linkage and tried to engage directly on the box, issue persists The SA suspects its the synchro ring and says the entire dogclutch assembly has to be changed if its so. He hasnt opened the GB yet. Its a 2007 model having clocked about 67K kms. I know I havent driven it hard - the brake-pad is being changed for first time and I got 58K kms out of my Michelins before changing them. Advice phlease. TIA.
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24th June 2011, 13:41	#21
Rocky_Balboa BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Namma Bengalooru Posts: 676 Thanked: 358 Times View My Garage	Re: Problem in shifting to lower gear The SA is still waiting to confirm the availability of dogclutch assembly. And the bad news is that I had taken Extended warranty only for the 3rd year - which essentially means I ll have to bear the ~10k charges for the synchro issue. However my biggest concern is about problems that may occur, from opening the gearbox; having read similar issues here. Still waiting!
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5th July 2011, 12:04	#22
kalpeshc BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 535 Thanked: 137 Times	Re: Problem in shifting to lower gear I don't know whether I have a problem similar to this as I've not driven much. Lately when I shift to 1st in my year old very less run i20 (3500 kms only), there's some resistance and I have to push the lever to slot in 1st. This was not the case in the past. The gear shifts used to be literally butter smooth. What may have changed?
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5th July 2011, 20:46	#24
kamal.sn BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: New Delhi Posts: 149 Thanked: 88 Times	Re: Problem in shifting to lower gear I am facing a similar problem in my Tucson. I feel a pushback ( not sure it it is called grinding) ) sometimes when i upshift/downshift to the second gear. Also shifting to first gear requires a lot of effort unless the car is at a speed of less than 10 kmph or stationary. I also feel that the car would stall when it is in the second gear if the speed is between 10 and 20 kmph so most of the time i end up driving in the first gear and only upshift when the speed nears 20 kmph. I have noticed these issues only after the clutch job ( clutch plate and pressure plate change ) and am afraid that the replacement timeline ( 6 months / 10,000 kms) for the clutch plate/pressure plate will expire and may have to pay again if there is any issue with the same. I have already got the clutch bled a couple of days after the clutch job. Last edited by kamal.sn : 5th July 2011 at 21:07.
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