Cracking the Da Vinci "TATA Safari 2.2l" ECU Code

svdath · 24th August 2009, 15:50

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Originally Posted by sun

As I said before, I had seen the TATA service personnel in action on my Safari 2.2 l. On the hardware connector was written ISO 14230. That should be the protocol.. right ?

Hope this was useful.

Since my scan tool [ELM 323] is compliant withISO14230, the PCM Scan should have recognized it.....Am i missing out on any settings....Will post the screen shot of the error shortly...

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dadu · 24th August 2009, 15:54

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Originally Posted by svdath

Dadu,
Tried using the PCMScan trial version..>It was able to recognize hte ELM323 scanner..But it then gave a error message that the protocol was not recognized.

Is TATA using its own propritery protocol. I thougt it was a ISO-9141-2. Also, when i connet the ELM323 to the OBD connector, i get one red led light on the scan tool, but there is one more which does not glow, is that a problem? I bought mine from Car PC Systems | Vehicle Infotainment Solutions | iRide Technologies, Mumbai, India

Also, is there a way to find out what is the protocol by some AT command? I keep getting the BUS INIT.....ERROR message

It uses ISO 14230-4 (KWP2000 FAST) protocol.

Connect using Hyperterminal with the following :
Set Bits per second to 9600
Data Bits to 8
Parity to None
Stop bits to 1
Flow Control to None

Type 'ATZ' and hit enter, what do you get ??
Type '010C' and hit enter, what do you see ??

svdath · 24th August 2009, 20:06

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Originally Posted by dadu

It uses ISO 14230-4 (KWP2000 FAST) protocol.

Connect using Hyperterminal with the following :
Set Bits per second to 9600
Data Bits to 8
Parity to None
Stop bits to 1
Flow Control to None

Type 'ATZ' and hit enter, what do you get ??
Type '010C' and hit enter, what do you see ??

Dadu,
Still no luck

I have attached the screenshot.Is there any other setting that i need to make?

sun · 25th August 2009, 09:15

your indica vista is Quadrajet or with TATA engine ? If its Quadrajet, then may be it has some FIAT protocol ?

svdath · 25th August 2009, 10:30

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Originally Posted by sun

your indica vista is Quadrajet or with TATA engine ? If its Quadrajet, then may be it has some FIAT protocol ?

Its the Quadrajet running the Fiat 1.3 MJT. I googled and saw that Fiat also followed the ISO protocols. Now i am in a confused state whether there is problem with my OBD connector

dadu · 25th August 2009, 16:45

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Originally Posted by svdath

Its the Quadrajet running the Fiat 1.3 MJT. I googled and saw that Fiat also followed the ISO protocols. Now i am in a confused state whether there is problem with my OBD connector

Yours is an older version of ELM-323, current is 327, do the following on the hyperterminal,

- Turn on the Ignition and Set the protocol to Auto by typing ATSP0 (last digit is zero) and then issue a 0100. if it doesn't respond its a non-standard OBD ECU.
- When it responds check the protocol by typing in ATDPN.
- Whatever number is returned now type in ATSP N (where N is the number the previous ATDP command returned)
- Now type in ATMA and post the results.

dadu · 25th August 2009, 17:46

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Originally Posted by svdath

Since my scan tool [ELM 323] is compliant withISO14230, the PCM Scan should have recognized it.....Am i missing out on any settings....Will post the screen shot of the error shortly...

ELM323 supports: ISO14230-4 (KWP2000) ISO9141-2

ELM327 supports: ISO15765-4 (CAN) ISO14230-4 (KWP2000) ISO9141-2 J1850 VPW J1850 PWM

So if the vehicle ECU needs other than the ELM323 protocols, it will not work.

svdath · 25th August 2009, 19:01

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Originally Posted by dadu

ELM323 supports: ISO14230-4 (KWP2000) ISO9141-2

ELM327 supports: ISO15765-4 (CAN) ISO14230-4 (KWP2000) ISO9141-2 J1850 VPW J1850 PWM

So if the vehicle ECU needs other than the ELM323 protocols, it will not work.

Dadu,
It looks like i will need to go for the ELM327. I have attached the screen shot of the auto protocol setting. This itself did not go through.

But do you think that me going for the ELM327 would solve the problem. Is there a one where I can test and then go for buying it?

Digital Vampire · 25th August 2009, 22:26

I've had my go at Palio MJD with my ELM327 and it simply doesn't work. Always say "Unrecognized Protocol" or something similar.

Later learned from FIAT forums that FIAT uses some proprietary protocol which requires special SW.

Good luck to you! It would be a pleasant surprise if it ever works on Vista MJD.

dadu · 26th August 2009, 14:14

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Originally Posted by svdath

Dadu,
It looks like i will need to go for the ELM327. I have attached the screen shot of the auto protocol setting. This itself did not go through.

But do you think that me going for the ELM327 would solve the problem. Is there a one where I can test and then go for buying it?

Like I said earlier, it seems like a non-compliant OBDII ECU, usually Fiat should use ISO only. You can test with someone having ELM327 before opting to buy.

DRC · 26th August 2009, 20:08

Fiat (old) uses the ISO 14230-4 KWP fast init for communication with ECU. But the langguage it speaks is very different from OBD-II or EOBD. I have had some success in communicating with my Petra ECU through hyper terminal. I could not make a program as I do not understand software code so much.

However, I thought new MJD engines complied to EOBD standards! I am surprised it doesn't!!!

svdath · 26th August 2009, 21:25

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Originally Posted by DRC

Fiat (old) uses the ISO 14230-4 KWP fast init for communication with ECU. But the langguage it speaks is very different from OBD-II or EOBD. I have had some success in communicating with my Petra ECU through hyper terminal. I could not make a program as I do not understand software code so much.

However, I thought new MJD engines complied to EOBD standards! I am surprised it doesn't!!!

Can you let me know what were the commands you used with Hyper terminal and also what was the connector you used - ELM 323 or ELM 327?

sun · 26th August 2009, 22:01

svdath, I inquired with TATA personnel today, Fiat indeed uses different protocol. They have different hardware to connect to quadrajets and 1.3 Fiats. Even the software is different, though he did not mention which

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DRC · 27th August 2009, 11:10

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Originally Posted by DRC

Fiat (old) uses the ISO 14230-4 KWP fast init for communication with ECU. But the langguage it speaks is very different from OBD-II or EOBD. I have had some success in communicating with my Petra ECU through hyper terminal. I could not make a program as I do not understand software code so much.

However, I thought new MJD engines complied to EOBD standards! I am surprised it doesn't!!!

I used a ELM327.
The sequence of the commands were too long and clumsy (atleast for my laziness). Please PM your mail ID, I will send some scatch pad which I made while trying to decode. If you can write some code in c# and live in bangalore, we can put together a program to do this job.

sun · 27th August 2009, 13:43

Check this -

Wow..I just Connected my Palio to Laptop via OBD II cable today~! - The FIAT Forum

(Link taken from another thread)

25th August 2009, 09:15	#34
sun BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 108 Thanked: 10 Times	your indica vista is Quadrajet or with TATA engine ? If its Quadrajet, then may be it has some FIAT protocol ?
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25th August 2009, 22:26	#39
Digital Vampire BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Utopia! Posts: 595 Thanked: 105 Times	I've had my go at Palio MJD with my ELM327 and it simply doesn't work. Always say "Unrecognized Protocol" or something similar. Later learned from FIAT forums that FIAT uses some proprietary protocol which requires special SW. Good luck to you! It would be a pleasant surprise if it ever works on Vista MJD.
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26th August 2009, 20:08	#41
DRC BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cockpit Posts: 911 Thanked: 64 Times View My Garage	Fiat (old) uses the ISO 14230-4 KWP fast init for communication with ECU. But the langguage it speaks is very different from OBD-II or EOBD. I have had some success in communicating with my Petra ECU through hyper terminal. I could not make a program as I do not understand software code so much. However, I thought new MJD engines complied to EOBD standards! I am surprised it doesn't!!!
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26th August 2009, 22:01	#43
sun BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 108 Thanked: 10 Times	svdath, I inquired with TATA personnel today, Fiat indeed uses different protocol. They have different hardware to connect to quadrajets and 1.3 Fiats. Even the software is different, though he did not mention which .
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27th August 2009, 13:43	#45
sun BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 108 Thanked: 10 Times	Check this - Wow..I just Connected my Palio to Laptop via OBD II cable today~! - The FIAT Forum (Link taken from another thread)
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