Swift DDIS Engine Starting Problem

tush · 15th January 2009, 03:36

Hello Friends,

Today at night, at about 2:30am when i turned on the ignition and after certain lights on the odo which are supposed to turn off, when they turned off i attempted to start the engine. This first attempt the engine failed to start. Waited for 5 seconds and attempted to start, it failed again, it did the same third time and was successful to start only at the fourth attempt. Never had this problem before. The car is new and has done around 1500KM on the odo.
During this time of the night the weather in Pune is cold in winters, however today it was not that cold to talk about. Is this somewhere related to this cold weather? Is this behavior normal for the modern diesel car ? Or does it indicate bad fuel ?
The Road had a little banking where the car was parked for 9 hours.

Is this indication of some serious problem coming up in future?

Your inputs would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,
tush.

dreamdiesel · 15th January 2009, 04:22

This problem should not happen with the Swift. Did any of the lights stay ON on the dashboard after the engine started after the fourth attempt? I feel it could be the fuel quality.. And what was the amount of fuel remaining in the car?

Eddy · 15th January 2009, 10:36

Battery trouble perhaps ?

Jaggu · 15th January 2009, 10:51

Doesnt sound right, can be an air in fuel line? I dont think swift d requires more than a crank to start, even when cold the pre heating does a good job.

tush · 15th January 2009, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamdiesel

This problem should not happen with the Swift. Did any of the lights stay ON on the dashboard after the engine started after the fourth attempt? I feel it could be the fuel quality.. And what was the amount of fuel remaining in the car?

Once the engine started the rest of the lights went off except the seat belt warning light.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddy

Battery trouble perhaps ?

I dont understand how its a battery problem. Because the battery was providing enough power for atleast to be able to crank the engine. After the start i drove the car for 11 Km and then turned off the engine and tried starting and it was successfull for the every 3 times i tried testing it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Doesnt sound right, can be an air in fuel line? I dont think swift d requires more than a crank to start, even when cold the pre heating does a good job.

Yeah you are right. Never had this problem in my first Swift D either. There is atleast more then 10 liters of fuel in the tank.

Is the banking effect on the road got something to do with this ?

trrk · 15th January 2009, 13:43

Hi,

Heater plugs gone bad?

anupmathur · 15th January 2009, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by trrk

Heater plugs gone bad?

Are there heater plugs in the Swift D? In the Scorpio CRDe, for example, there aren't.

tazmaan · 15th January 2009, 14:04

I think it was an one off incident. It can either be due to the fuel quality or air which can happen due to the amount of fuel in the car and the angle at which the car was parked. I suggest you don't worry about it unless it happens again.

All diesel cars normally have heaters the old generation cars used to have a separate switch to activate it before starting and most of the modern cars have it on ignition. It is the sign that looks like a coil after turning on the ignition and which goes off after which you are supposed to start the car. In case of cold climate you can repeat the above process 2 or 3 times before actually starting the car. I learned about this on my Tata Estate have experienced it on my qualis and innova.

humyum · 15th January 2009, 14:14

If its one time incident, dont think too much into it.Maybe bad fuel,Maybe the cold.If it happens again and again every morning is when you have to worry about it IMO

aerohit · 15th January 2009, 16:13

I would just treat this as a random incident unless problem persists.

tush · 16th January 2009, 03:49

Had no issues today. The engine started in the first attempt itself.

vibhu_f430 · 16th January 2009, 04:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by tush

Hello Friends,

when i turned on the ignition and after certain lights on the odo which are supposed to turn off,
tush.

Hay guys,
I did'nt know you had to wait for an engine check light(or something like that ) to turn off before you start the swift !?

I normally start the car with one turn from lock to ignition, then crank the engine , idle for a few min if its a cold start and drive off !

Is there any start-up procedure as mentioned by tush ?

Help

HappyWheels · 16th January 2009, 07:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by tush

... There is atleast more then 10 liters of fuel in the tank.

Is the banking effect on the road got something to do with this ?

If the car was parked on an unfavourable incline with only 10 liters, it might just be the cause.

Quote:

Originally Posted by humyum

If its one time incident, dont think too much into it.Maybe bad fuel,Maybe the cold.If it happens again and again every morning is when you have to worry about it IMO

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohit

I would just treat this as a random incident unless problem persists.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tush

Had no issues today. The engine started in the first attempt itself.

HappyWheels · 16th January 2009, 09:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by vibhu_f430

Hay guys,
I did'nt know you had to wait for an engine check light(or something like that ) to turn off before you start the swift !?
...

Would really suggest that you keep the car in ON position before cranking for few seconds, till the fuel pump does the customary cycle. This should be like for 15~20 seconds before cranking. And this is for all vehicles.

GSMINC · 16th January 2009, 17:00

Forget about it & enjoy our car.
If it happens again contact the dealer/service centre

15th January 2009, 03:36	#1
tush BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 331 Thanked: 12 Times	Swift DDIS Engine Starting Problem Hello Friends, Today at night, at about 2:30am when i turned on the ignition and after certain lights on the odo which are supposed to turn off, when they turned off i attempted to start the engine. This first attempt the engine failed to start. Waited for 5 seconds and attempted to start, it failed again, it did the same third time and was successful to start only at the fourth attempt. Never had this problem before. The car is new and has done around 1500KM on the odo. During this time of the night the weather in Pune is cold in winters, however today it was not that cold to talk about. Is this somewhere related to this cold weather? Is this behavior normal for the modern diesel car ? Or does it indicate bad fuel ? The Road had a little banking where the car was parked for 9 hours. Is this indication of some serious problem coming up in future? Your inputs would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Cheers, tush. Last edited by tush : 15th January 2009 at 03:38.
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15th January 2009, 04:22	#2
dreamdiesel BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 420 Thanked: 60 Times	This problem should not happen with the Swift. Did any of the lights stay ON on the dashboard after the engine started after the fourth attempt? I feel it could be the fuel quality.. And what was the amount of fuel remaining in the car?
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15th January 2009, 10:36	#3
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 9,387 Thanked: 13,301 Times	Battery trouble perhaps ?
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15th January 2009, 10:51	#4
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,907 Times	Doesnt sound right, can be an air in fuel line? I dont think swift d requires more than a crank to start, even when cold the pre heating does a good job.
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15th January 2009, 13:43	#6
trrk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alleppey, Kerala Posts: 2,114 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	Hi, Heater plugs gone bad?
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15th January 2009, 14:04	#8
tazmaan BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 926 Thanked: 3,235 Times View My Garage	I think it was an one off incident. It can either be due to the fuel quality or air which can happen due to the amount of fuel in the car and the angle at which the car was parked. I suggest you don't worry about it unless it happens again. All diesel cars normally have heaters the old generation cars used to have a separate switch to activate it before starting and most of the modern cars have it on ignition. It is the sign that looks like a coil after turning on the ignition and which goes off after which you are supposed to start the car. In case of cold climate you can repeat the above process 2 or 3 times before actually starting the car. I learned about this on my Tata Estate have experienced it on my qualis and innova.
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15th January 2009, 14:14	#9
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,752 Thanked: 5,428 Times	If its one time incident, dont think too much into it.Maybe bad fuel,Maybe the cold.If it happens again and again every morning is when you have to worry about it IMO
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15th January 2009, 16:13	#10
aerohit BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: India Posts: 978 Thanked: 981 Times	I would just treat this as a random incident unless problem persists.
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16th January 2009, 03:49	#11
tush BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 331 Thanked: 12 Times	Had no issues today. The engine started in the first attempt itself.
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16th January 2009, 17:00	#15
GSMINC BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 395 Thanked: 196 Times	Forget about it & enjoy our car. If it happens again contact the dealer/service centre
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