[Roy.S]

Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

....do not trust the flushes ......
.....But you should NEVER change to another brand in the engine LIFETIME'

Well, I did an engine flush with OWS 210 today and put in Mobil1 5w50 fully synthetic and am quite pleased with the results. Unfortunately I had to leave the car in the workshop for a touch up job, so I could not drive around much.
But it definitely felt better.
The 210 flush is definitely a good thing. And nobody has reported any adverse effects from changing engine oil brands so far.
@ ibm_jennifer, is there any hard evidence to back up your statements?

[ibm_jennifer]

ibm_jennifer, is there any hard evidence to back up your statements?

No, its just a statement from one of the biggest marine diesel engine manufacture in China. I trust them and follow it for my boat - but not in my car. Just use your brain and continue the process as usual.

I am sure my statement is not 100% True, but not 100% False until one can prove it wrong by opening up his engine.

Better avoid unnecessary brand change with your blind trust over a engine flush!. Engine Flushes do nothing, Here is my proof: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/access...ization-2.html

Believe me or not, its even not with the old oil. I HAVE CHANGED MY ENGINE OIL ONLY TO TEST OWS 210. But OWS works. It may be good for cleaning - but not for cleaning out the entire carbon or old oil.

I don't trust OWS until someone can take this challenge and open up his engine to prove me that OWS did MAGIC to his engine. That doesn't mean, you should not trust OWS. Its not bad at all and I love OWS 220 very much. I am just here to say avoid using your Car for unnecessary brand tests/comparison...

Also still now I dont find the logic of using old oil for an Engine Flush? How can you clean your toilet with the toilet water?

[Roy.S]

Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

....It may be good for cleaning - but not for cleaning out the entire carbon or old oil.....

While I'm still undecided about the rest of your post, I do agree with this. To truly clean out the entire works, you'd have to open the engine. However, I do not see any reason to do this unless you are completely overhauling your engine (at 1lac+ km, perhaps).
In any case, I will be doing a lot of highway driving next week so lets see if the flush and synthetic has made a significant difference.
I could not source OWS 220. Is it ok to add it a week later?

[ibm_jennifer]

I do not see any reason to do this unless you are completely overhauling your engine (at 1lac+ km, perhaps).

Exactly its true and unnecessary. But don't you think using new oil for flush is not necessary? Or can you use the water in the toilet to flush your toilet?

[Roy.S]

Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

Exactly its true and unnecessary. But don't you think using new oil for flush is not necessary? Or can you use the water in the toilet to flush your toilet?

The toilet analogy is not apt in this case. I do not recall taking a dump in my crankcase.
But, yes. Flushing oil would help. I did not find it necessary.

[naidusown]

Hello there,

Have a Santro with @ 52K on the odo.. In planning for a long trip this weekend, I visited the service advisor at the local Hyundai service center Advaith Hyundai (Bangalore)

Hyundai apparently recommends Bardahl products

Does anyone have experience of using the Bardahl products in their Hyundais?

HOEC BARDAHL INDIA LTD.
HOEC BARDAHL INDIA LTD.
HOEC BARDAHL INDIA LTD.

Bardahl is a well respected brand in the stateside..

It is also less than half the price of the equivalent OWS goodies (210, 220)

Am keen on using the OWS 360 for the engine clean/flush as opposed to the de-carb process.

Advice needed asap - as will be out for the long drive tomorrow evening..

Cheers

[vdiatech]

Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

I don't trust OWS until someone can take this challenge and open up his engine to prove me that OWS did MAGIC to his engine. That doesn't mean, you should not trust OWS. Its not bad at all and I love OWS 220 very much. I am just here to say avoid using your Car for unnecessary brand tests/comparison...

I second this. It would actually be helpful if manufacturers of such products or premium fuels show more evidence and not just some un verified dyno or other graphs !

I think on BP website, they had a video showing their tests on two brand new cars of the same make/model. One running on ordinary fuel and one on their premium 'ultimate' fuel. It ended with a view of the engine internals !

[gpa]

Boy oh boy, this thread has come alive over the past day

[vdiatech]

Originally Posted by vdiatech

I second this. It would actually be helpful if manufacturers of such products or premium fuels show more evidence and not just some un verified dyno or other graphs !

I think on BP website, they had a video showing their tests on two brand new cars of the same make/model. One running on ordinary fuel and one on their premium 'ultimate' fuel. It ended with a view of the engine internals !

I meant British Petroleum Website..

[iceman91]

One Question:
So if a company did this video you would not call it as a marketing gimmick?

[vdiatech]

Originally Posted by iceman91

One Question:
So if a company did this video you would not call it as a marketing gimmick?

I am not a very technical person when it comes to cars . So, instead of calling this a marketing gimmick, I would rather opt for their product over any other un-tested product. Like say...better this than a blind faith in a brand which is not even proving things in the above manner.

I have seen just a graph on OWS website, I would the say the video on BP site would convince me better than a graph on OWS site !

Not all are clever, some dumb human beings still do exist , eg me !

[cyclops]

hmmm... this thread has suddenly become quite alive thses days..

Anyways, I m getting the 360 probably next week in Pune. My alto has done around 19k, I will be changing oil at the specified 20k mark, mostly Castrol mineral oil or at the most magnatec. Is an engine flush recommended at 20k? Or rather will it be actually helpful? Does the soot built-up starts at 20k?

Also, is 360 recommended before the engine flush/oil change or after that..

[ibm_jennifer]

It is also less than half the price of the equivalent OWS goodies (210, 220)

Am keen on using the OWS 360 for the engine clean/flush as opposed to the de-carb process.

Bhardal is a good product and I have used it, Not bad at all. But when it comes to Oil Additive I recommend you OWS 220. Here is my test results: A Comparison of Car Additives (Fuel/Oil/Gearbox/Differential) | TATA Safari Club.com

[mtnrajdeep]

Would the OWS 360 or Flashlube help if I have a tankful of adulterated diesel (just a guess though) in my car?

[ibm_jennifer]

Would the OWS 360 or Flashlube help if I have a tankful of adulterated diesel (just a guess though) in my car?

No, Use only recommended level of fuel. Diluted will not effective. But clean your Fuel injectors thru a professional spray machine atleast once in 50k.