Brand New Fiesta refuses to start!

anachronix · 3rd June 2009, 22:31

Its been 12 days since I have bought the Fiesta 1.6s! I have crossed 1000KM on the ODO today.

Offlate I am facing a starting trouble. It cranks perfectly but the engine simply doesnt come to life. It fires up in the 3rd or 4th crank though. This problem is there from yesterday and it doesnt happen quite often. But I have faced this problem already 3 times from yesterday!

I keep the clutch pressed and my feet off the accelerator and wait for all the sensor lights to go off before I crank. I guess this is the right way to start.

I havent see any warning lights in the display.

I am taking it to the workshop tomorrow, but I need your suggestions just to have an idea of what could be the problem!

netarchie · 3rd June 2009, 22:41

Have you tried stepping on the gas a little while starting? I do that to my fusion once in a while when it refuses to start at one or two cranks.

malgudi · 3rd June 2009, 22:48

Bad quality fuel may be the culprit here. Try having a tankful from a known and reputed petrol bunk to see if the problem disappears.

anachronix · 3rd June 2009, 22:48

Nop! I havent tried that part.

But, I usually keep my foot off the gas while starting!

Edit:

Manoj,

I had tanked up from a reputed bunk and the fuel is just below the 1/4 of the tank!

BTW, I had added the SystemG this time when I had fueled!

netarchie · 3rd June 2009, 22:51

Try that, i guess its mentioned in the manual as well.

anachronix · 3rd June 2009, 23:07

But thats in case of an extremely cold start or a flooded engine case right?

Zappo · 3rd June 2009, 23:23

Anachronix, does this problem happen mostly during cold starts? Or does it happen in a warmed up engine? Normally if the idle is set very low you may need to step (very lightly though) on the gas pedal while starting.

Also, check that your battery is properly charged. Since its a brand new car the battery should be in the pink of health. Check whether while cranking the car's electronic equipments like digi-clock, audio panel display etc. turn off for a brief while. Normally in an absolutely new and well charged battery this should not happen.

anachronix · 4th June 2009, 06:30

@Zappo,

It happens in the warmed up engine! I will get it checked in the Ford A.S.S today.

Aditya · 4th June 2009, 07:14

A friend's Honda had a similar problem. Fuel quality was bad. It messed up the filter. The idling went for a toss.
If that dosen't help, as zappos said, have the electricals checked - though I've never heard of a Ford giving electrical problems. The Mondeo had fuel pump issues. The Ikon and Fiesta are quite reliable.

malgudi · 4th June 2009, 09:07

Arun,
I would not suggest using SystemG in a brand new car. Hold on till say about 3K - 4K Kms before using SystemG.
As I said earlier, I have faced this couple of times when i have got fuel filled from unknown fuel pumps. Usually a tankful from a trusted pump and a spirited drive after that resolves the problem

Bubby · 4th June 2009, 09:16

Dont let FORD A.S.S know that you used system G, as this might be put against you, you know all A.S.S have this habit of blaming stuff on the owner.

They might even go on to say that you voided the warranty.

gemithomas · 4th June 2009, 09:33

I had experienced this same thing on our fusion. It mostly happens when the car is parked for a few minutes after a small run. I jus tap the pedal on the second try and the car starts. It happens only very rarely and never bothered about it. But in your case it seems to be a high frequency. Try idling for just a few more seconds before switching off. I suggest you try for some more time before letting the A.S.S peiple touch the car.

hillram · 4th June 2009, 10:31

Tapping the pedal should work most of the times.But it is relativly an older system before cranking.
Modern cars really dont need that !!

anachronix · 4th June 2009, 11:16

Took it to the Ford A.S.S today morning. All the electricals were checked and the PDS was connected and checked for any fault. But there was nothing really wrong!

I feel the fuel to be the culprit here!

I got the ECU flashed once and I will put it on observation for a couple of days.

Manoj,
SystemG, the mechanics & the SA were suggesting me to use it continously. Even my friend who was ex-Ford A.S.S Manager suggested me to use the SystemG.

And I am driving to Kerala tomorrow, the first long drive

Rehaan · 4th June 2009, 16:29

anachronix,

Do you notice any difference when driving? Less power, occasional unresponsiveness ?

cya
R

3rd June 2009, 22:31	#1
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	Brand New Fiesta refuses to start! Its been 12 days since I have bought the Fiesta 1.6s! I have crossed 1000KM on the ODO today. Offlate I am facing a starting trouble. It cranks perfectly but the engine simply doesnt come to life. It fires up in the 3rd or 4th crank though. This problem is there from yesterday and it doesnt happen quite often. But I have faced this problem already 3 times from yesterday! I keep the clutch pressed and my feet off the accelerator and wait for all the sensor lights to go off before I crank. I guess this is the right way to start. I havent see any warning lights in the display. I am taking it to the workshop tomorrow, but I need your suggestions just to have an idea of what could be the problem!
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3rd June 2009, 22:41	#2
netarchie BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 397 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	Have you tried stepping on the gas a little while starting? I do that to my fusion once in a while when it refuses to start at one or two cranks.
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3rd June 2009, 22:48	#3
malgudi BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 355 Thanked: 183 Times View My Garage	Bad quality fuel may be the culprit here. Try having a tankful from a known and reputed petrol bunk to see if the problem disappears.
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3rd June 2009, 22:48	#4
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	Nop! I havent tried that part. But, I usually keep my foot off the gas while starting! Edit: Manoj, I had tanked up from a reputed bunk and the fuel is just below the 1/4 of the tank! BTW, I had added the SystemG this time when I had fueled! Last edited by anachronix : 3rd June 2009 at 22:50.
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3rd June 2009, 22:51	#5
netarchie BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 397 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	Try that, i guess its mentioned in the manual as well.
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3rd June 2009, 23:07	#6
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	But thats in case of an extremely cold start or a flooded engine case right?
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3rd June 2009, 23:23	#7
Zappo Team-BHP Support Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 5,922 Thanked: 2,699 Times	Anachronix, does this problem happen mostly during cold starts? Or does it happen in a warmed up engine? Normally if the idle is set very low you may need to step (very lightly though) on the gas pedal while starting. Also, check that your battery is properly charged. Since its a brand new car the battery should be in the pink of health. Check whether while cranking the car's electronic equipments like digi-clock, audio panel display etc. turn off for a brief while. Normally in an absolutely new and well charged battery this should not happen.
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4th June 2009, 06:30	#8
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	@Zappo, It happens in the warmed up engine! I will get it checked in the Ford A.S.S today.
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4th June 2009, 07:14	#9
Aditya Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 17,835 Thanked: 77,056 Times View My Garage	A friend's Honda had a similar problem. Fuel quality was bad. It messed up the filter. The idling went for a toss. If that dosen't help, as zappos said, have the electricals checked - though I've never heard of a Ford giving electrical problems. The Mondeo had fuel pump issues. The Ikon and Fiesta are quite reliable.
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4th June 2009, 09:07	#10
malgudi BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 355 Thanked: 183 Times View My Garage	Arun, I would not suggest using SystemG in a brand new car. Hold on till say about 3K - 4K Kms before using SystemG. As I said earlier, I have faced this couple of times when i have got fuel filled from unknown fuel pumps. Usually a tankful from a trusted pump and a spirited drive after that resolves the problem
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4th June 2009, 09:16	#11
Bubby BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 503 Thanked: 168 Times	Dont let FORD A.S.S know that you used system G, as this might be put against you, you know all A.S.S have this habit of blaming stuff on the owner. They might even go on to say that you voided the warranty.
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4th June 2009, 09:33	#12
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,366 Thanked: 143 Times View My Garage	I had experienced this same thing on our fusion. It mostly happens when the car is parked for a few minutes after a small run. I jus tap the pedal on the second try and the car starts. It happens only very rarely and never bothered about it. But in your case it seems to be a high frequency. Try idling for just a few more seconds before switching off. I suggest you try for some more time before letting the A.S.S peiple touch the car.
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4th June 2009, 10:31	#13
hillram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,942 Thanked: 1,326 Times View My Garage	Tapping the pedal should work most of the times.But it is relativly an older system before cranking. Modern cars really dont need that !!
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4th June 2009, 11:16	#14
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	Took it to the Ford A.S.S today morning. All the electricals were checked and the PDS was connected and checked for any fault. But there was nothing really wrong! I feel the fuel to be the culprit here! I got the ECU flashed once and I will put it on observation for a couple of days. Manoj, SystemG, the mechanics & the SA were suggesting me to use it continously. Even my friend who was ex-Ford A.S.S Manager suggested me to use the SystemG. And I am driving to Kerala tomorrow, the first long drive
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4th June 2009, 16:29	#15
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,042 Thanked: 34,074 Times	anachronix, Do you notice any difference when driving? Less power, occasional unresponsiveness ? cya R
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