Re: Swift Diesel - Engine sound Quote:
Originally Posted by joybhowmik On the first point: I take it that you are probably referring to the process where all mating surfaces get coated with the new oil. But once that happens, is it possible for the synthetic usage to continue to be at higher levels than the mineral equivalent- on an otherwise healthy engine? |
I would think, and my (limited) experience shows that it would/should return to the same levels as before. So it is a short initial effect that should disappear.
As a general rule, the full synthetic oils do better on more modern engines, with relatively lower tolerances etc. So you will find some (older) engines that simply do not so well on full synthetic oil. I have said it many times, but when in doubt consult the owners manual. If it doesn't mention a specification for a synthetic oil, you should not try it! Quote:
Originally Posted by joybhowmik On the second point:
Viscosity range being a given, one would have thought oils with the exact same API/ACEA specification would tend to behave quite similarly. You refer to an overhaul between the use of different brands. That might not really be a great way to compare one against the other in terms of usage. |
Yes, that would/is my expectation as well, so I'm always a bit surprised to see the difference. These were relatively older engines and after an overhaul the engines are completely up to new spec, if not actually a bit better. A proper overhaul on older model engines or current new ones, if done properly is as good as a brand new engine in your brand new car. Now, problem might be finding a machine shop that can actually do a good enough job, but in most of (Western) Europe that is not a problem at all. Quote:
Originally Posted by joybhowmik Do you know of instances where the following other control variables were invariant (same healthy engine, same driver, same driving pattern, same season, same fuel) , and yet usage changed when switching brands (i.e. same viscosity grades , same API/ACEA specification)?
Nonetheless it's interesting, that this can happen even as you described it. Quite unexpected, if one may say so. |
No, I don't have a whole lot of data, other than my own experience, but it does tally with similar experience of a good friend of mine, who overhauls car engines professionally and owned one of the best equipped machine shops I know.
I'm not a chemist by any stretch of the imagination, but here's my very abstract thought; Modern lub oils are fantastically complex. Every brand has their own recipe. They are governed by a relatively simple sets of recommended specifications e.g. viscosity. Where does it say you can mix different brands without affecting some of the underlying properties? I doubt you would find any lub oil manufacturer that would guarantee the working of his own lub oil, with somebody elses added into the mix. They were never specified at that level. So I think we sort of assume that they are all "interoperable" and by and large they are. But that's probably more to luck then design.
Somewhere on this forum (can't remember which thread) I have written about a very large field trial I was involved in on Marine Diesels. There we essentially proved that there was no distinguishable difference between the A-Brand lub oils and the B-Brands lub oils. (E.g. expensive oil versus cheap oil). We did not mix the two, only compared them side by side for a wide range of different operating conditions. (And found that many other factors have a much bigger impact on wear and tear then the lub oil!)
Jeroen |