Rattle Removal

sajo · 24th August 2005, 17:49

We have a 93' 800 which has around 75000 kms on the odo. I too have that vibration at idling problem. The gear lever vibrates as if its about to break off. Otherwise a very smooth and reliable car. Surprisingly, the Indica2000 we had from Aug 2000 to Sept 2004 remained almost rattle free to the end (28k kms), even if it was one of the worst built cars in the country.Only noise problem with it was that the gear lever creaked when touched.

merve_extreme · 24th August 2005, 18:30

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Originally Posted by simran

In my Zen (5500 kms done), there is a sort of creaking and groaning sound that comes from the floor whenever you brake, or turn. I used to think it was the seat, but the co-passenger told me its the floor. The Sai Service in Pune was as usual clueless and gave me the car after 2nd service without rectifying the problem.

Any ideas how I can locate the underbody problem and get it rectified. Or is the dealer waiting for the warranty period to expire so he can charge me for correcting this?

TIA,
Simran

if it comes only in the rains then that comes from the brakes(especially the rear drums).dont do anything.

it can also be the wheel bearings.

GTO · 24th August 2005, 18:51

Well, a rattle has set in to my C220 - and its damn ANNOYING!

Its from the roof moulding, just a little ahead of the sunroof.

GTO

Buffetfan · 24th August 2005, 20:05

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Originally Posted by merve_extreme

actually this problem is there with all non-luxury cars.once i sat in a zen and it was rattling like it had been dropped from a US Marine Chinnok helicopter.rattles are mainly caused due to bad road conditions and also due to expansion joints on concreated roads(especially when travelling a high speeds.On smooth roads most rattles will dissapear.

I have seen rattles in Mercs (E Class) , BMWs, Golf, Octavias as well...so it is not a non luxury car problem only...it is I guess a common problem...but easily / earlier manifested in cheaper variants...

Most of us are bad at DIYs...so if there are specialised workshops/mechanics that do it..it would be very helpful....

Mpower · 24th August 2005, 20:57

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Originally Posted by sajo

We have a 93' 800 which has around 75000 kms on the odo. I too have that vibration at idling problem. The gear lever vibrates as if its about to break off.

Thats because its a 3 cyl engine which is not very well balanced.

To prevent gear lever vibration during iding, what you need is a dual mass flywheel, which the cheaper cars dont have.

RX135 · 24th August 2005, 21:15

Talking of Rattles, which seem to be a universal phenomenon with cars irrespective of their segments, I remember my debate with Steeroid. We debated on chronic issue of "Fiat cars vs. non-Fiat cars".

Steeroid said (and he has said it often) that his accent was always rattle free. There were some other folks on this forum, who confirmed that accents always have relatively less rattles. I think that really speaks highly of Accent, a car which is always underrated for its below par performance/handling.

I just dont like that car, but thought of acknowledging this specific point.

GTO · 24th August 2005, 21:35

Adding to that, a 10000 km run Getz does not rattle at all compared to a 2000 km run Swift. From first hand experience on a weekend trip.

GTO

skamb · 25th August 2005, 16:39

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Originally Posted by aseem

I am getting rattle in my brand new swift :(

??? Swift and rattling. It is a car built with racing platform. What part of the vehicle is noisy ?

Also I believe, may be the engine is so silent that even slight rattle sounds big !

GTO · 25th August 2005, 18:35

Skamb, You would be surprised at the lack of solid build quality in the Swift. Theres uneven panel gaps and rattles galore!

I love the car though....

GTO

ntomer · 25th August 2005, 18:50

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Originally Posted by GTO

Adding to that, a 10000 km run Getz does not rattle at all compared to a 2000 km run Swift. From first hand experience on a weekend trip.

GTO

yo man, you made my day ;-) i always say that Getz is a much better built car than Swift.

\N

cream · 25th August 2005, 20:52

yes, rattles are common - all the more due to bad road conditions, we get to hear more of them...i guess, as merv said, many of the fitments between materials are not thought through by manufacturers, so the problem compounds...

anyways, my 9K km fiat rattles and creaks as well, the door trim and the driver seat - and anuroop has been useless. so to ask buffetfan's original question...are there any good rattle exterminators around?

turbo_c · 25th August 2005, 21:05

I hate to drive my 3yr old Esteem (60kkm) without music because of all the strange faint noises it makes !

I have managed to fix various rattles by stuffing tissue paper between the edges of fibre panels, jamming a block of thermocol between my audio system and the top of bay in which it is mounted etc. ... fixing 'em aint tough, but finding the offending part is the killer!

Apart from the usual "something-under-the-dashboard" rattles that appear only at certain engine rpm (and disappear just before u can pinpoint where!), I have noticed an odd creaking noise while the car is shuddering, if I let go of the clutch too quickly... sounds like somebody shaking an old wrought iron bed! I suspected that it was something to do with the suspension or mountings near the front driver's side wheel and have asked the Maruti guys to check it out a number of times, but they all report that the suspension is fine and there is nothing amiss! Still, when I re-create the sound for them, they can't explain what's causing it, leave alone fix it!

Anybody else facing a similar problem?

- T u r b o C -

Surprise · 26th August 2005, 10:40

I had read this thread two day before & was closely hearing for any rattles from my 3500 kms completed Swift. But I could not figure out any noise. May be my heart would have kept my mind dummy to keep myself happy. Hence requested the co-passenger to figure out of any such noises. He too said he could not figure out anything. (May be he does not want to hurt me).

Yes. I don't think any rattles appearing in my Swift. Am I missing anything?

simran · 26th August 2005, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by simran

In my Zen (5500 kms done), there is a sort of creaking and groaning sound that comes from the floor whenever you brake, or turn. I used to think it was the seat, but the co-passenger told me its the floor. The Sai Service in Pune was as usual clueless and gave me the car after 2nd service without rectifying the problem.

Any ideas how I can locate the underbody problem and get it rectified. Or is the dealer waiting for the warranty period to expire so he can charge me for correcting this?

TIA,
Simran

took my car on a ramp to see the underbody myself. While on a trip recently, had been hit by a stone under the car, and there was a dent at taht place. Tried lifting the carpet in the car to hammer it back into shape, but gave up since I thought of taking it to a mechanic who can do this properly. This maybe the thing causing the creaking and groaning, since other parts seemed Ok.

Any suggestions on the best way to go about this? I am also thinking of getting an underbody rubber coating done ... any idea if this is helpful, and how durable?

TIA,
Simran

Deeps · 26th August 2005, 15:42

In a place like India, rattles are inevitable and most of us just have to live with them. I noticed that loud rattles are easier fixed than the not so loud ( smaller?) rattles.

Anyway, anyone know how to deal with a squeaking clutch pedal?

24th August 2005, 17:49	#16
sajo Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 2,625 Thanked: 1,153 Times	We have a 93' 800 which has around 75000 kms on the odo. I too have that vibration at idling problem. The gear lever vibrates as if its about to break off. Otherwise a very smooth and reliable car. Surprisingly, the Indica2000 we had from Aug 2000 to Sept 2004 remained almost rattle free to the end (28k kms), even if it was one of the worst built cars in the country.Only noise problem with it was that the gear lever creaked when touched.
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24th August 2005, 18:51	#18
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,512 Thanked: 300,698 Times View My Garage	Well, a rattle has set in to my C220 - and its damn ANNOYING! Its from the roof moulding, just a little ahead of the sunroof. GTO
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24th August 2005, 21:15	#21
RX135 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: pune Posts: 2,106 Thanked: 75 Times	Talking of Rattles, which seem to be a universal phenomenon with cars irrespective of their segments, I remember my debate with Steeroid. We debated on chronic issue of "Fiat cars vs. non-Fiat cars". Steeroid said (and he has said it often) that his accent was always rattle free. There were some other folks on this forum, who confirmed that accents always have relatively less rattles. I think that really speaks highly of Accent, a car which is always underrated for its below par performance/handling. I just dont like that car, but thought of acknowledging this specific point.
	() Thanks

24th August 2005, 21:35	#22
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,512 Thanked: 300,698 Times View My Garage	Adding to that, a 10000 km run Getz does not rattle at all compared to a 2000 km run Swift. From first hand experience on a weekend trip. GTO
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25th August 2005, 18:35	#24
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,512 Thanked: 300,698 Times View My Garage	Skamb, You would be surprised at the lack of solid build quality in the Swift. Theres uneven panel gaps and rattles galore! I love the car though.... GTO
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25th August 2005, 20:52	#26
cream BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 159 Thanked: 3 Times	yes, rattles are common - all the more due to bad road conditions, we get to hear more of them...i guess, as merv said, many of the fitments between materials are not thought through by manufacturers, so the problem compounds... anyways, my 9K km fiat rattles and creaks as well, the door trim and the driver seat - and anuroop has been useless. so to ask buffetfan's original question...are there any good rattle exterminators around?
	() Thanks

25th August 2005, 21:05	#27
turbo_c BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Pune / Mumbai Posts: 132 Thanked: 12 Times View My Garage	I hate to drive my 3yr old Esteem (60kkm) without music because of all the strange faint noises it makes ! I have managed to fix various rattles by stuffing tissue paper between the edges of fibre panels, jamming a block of thermocol between my audio system and the top of bay in which it is mounted etc. ... fixing 'em aint tough, but finding the offending part is the killer! Apart from the usual "something-under-the-dashboard" rattles that appear only at certain engine rpm (and disappear just before u can pinpoint where!), I have noticed an odd creaking noise while the car is shuddering, if I let go of the clutch too quickly... sounds like somebody shaking an old wrought iron bed! I suspected that it was something to do with the suspension or mountings near the front driver's side wheel and have asked the Maruti guys to check it out a number of times, but they all report that the suspension is fine and there is nothing amiss! Still, when I re-create the sound for them, they can't explain what's causing it, leave alone fix it! Anybody else facing a similar problem? - T u r b o C -
	() Thanks

26th August 2005, 10:40	#28
Surprise Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,523 Thanked: 454 Times	I had read this thread two day before & was closely hearing for any rattles from my 3500 kms completed Swift. But I could not figure out any noise. May be my heart would have kept my mind dummy to keep myself happy. Hence requested the co-passenger to figure out of any such noises. He too said he could not figure out anything. (May be he does not want to hurt me). Yes. I don't think any rattles appearing in my Swift. Am I missing anything?
	() Thanks

26th August 2005, 15:42	#30
Deeps Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Delhi/Noida Posts: 1,116 Thanked: 170 Times	In a place like India, rattles are inevitable and most of us just have to live with them. I noticed that loud rattles are easier fixed than the not so loud ( smaller?) rattles. Anyway, anyone know how to deal with a squeaking clutch pedal?
	() Thanks