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Originally Posted by anachronix @ Gemi, its a shame that your friend had to go through all this and I can also feel the kind of embarrassment it might have caused for giving him the suggestion to go for a Fiat! |
Its a bad situation when you suggest someone a car and it turns out to be a nightmare to have that car. I didn't have energy to face one such person in college after I suggested him Indica. That car broke down in middle on NH8. Just for change, they decided to use NH8 instead of NE1.
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Originally Posted by benbsb29 I remember there was another thread on the forum which had the case of a customer who complained about how frequently his Palio Stile ate up the tyres. Seems to be a similar case in the case of your friend's car as well, Gemi. |
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Originally Posted by architect a. Fuel Pump problem: Unpardonable, but this is the first time I am hearing of a fuel pump issue. Waiting for spares is a typical free benefit of Fiat ownership and well, let's face it, how many CRDi fuel pumps does any ASC keep in stock? It's not a regularly required spare. b. Tornado effect: Yes the second fan is loud and can be quite a helicopter at times, but it keeps the temp in check, I have never had heatng issues. Secondly, the engine noise and fan noise was pretty apparent even during the test drive. Fuel pump attendants running away seems to be either an exageration. Regarding engine noise from a 5-lakh rupee car, well it's still lesser than an 8-lakh rupee Skoda Fabia. c. Rattles: I have them too! But still not in Maruti Swift category. And I have some lovely MP, UP, Himachal roads and non-roads under my belt now, so would expect this out of any car. The road outside my office itself was a moonscape for a year I'd take at 60 kph. That said, build quality in terms of rattles is nowhere near the older Fiats. d. Engine vibration on start-up: Typical CRDi problem which is much lower in Vista and Swift. I don't see how it affects the ownership experience unless you want to show off how refined the car is. These vibrations would have been similar during the test-drive. e. Ice formation on AC: TBHP member ICE had the same problem in his Peted MJD and they replaced some components under warranty and it's been fine since. The ASC needs to be chased for this. f. Tyres wearing out at 8000 km: When I replaced my first set of tyres at 20,000 km they were only 30% gone (I got a 25% buyback price as well). The second set, the softer A-drives have seen 16,000 km with no abnormal wear. Other people have had similar experiences. Are you sure it was not a camber issue. I myself have a camber out of range in one of my wheels but that's because I drove into an open manhole. |
a) Can you please confirm if MJD has dual pumps ? I think others have one, but not sure MJD.
About part not being available, that is a part well understood as usually spares are an issue with many cars. Even in Baleno, Kiran motors quoted about 15 days for Baleno suspension overhaul.
But here, the point is that pump should not have failed. It shows quality or rather lack of it.
b) Never noticed this. First time I am hearing this. If it exists, then its a design defect and a mistake by Fiat. Shows lack of time spent on making changes. About overheating, well Indian car market is full of cars that dont overheat and never make a huge noise.
Forget Rs. 8 lakh Fabia, which in any way is not a good car with those engines. Consider Swift and Vista.
c) If they exist, its bad. Be it Swift or Palio. I think Palio was called " Tank Like " but this is applicable to cars before Stile. With Stile, the quality has gone down.
Again this does not mean that chassis is weak, be it Swift or palio.
d) Could have been better IMHO. After all its Fiat's engine. Again lack of time spent ?
e) If this can be solved, then you are correct. A.S.C can solve the issue. Good to know that it can be solved.
f) I think that Palio did have this issue. Either of the two mags i.e ACI or OD had this issue of tyres being eaten up early. Also IIRC, Palio's suspension does not allow alignment. If tyres are eaten up early, one has to look into suspension.
PS: Not sure on this, just had read a long time ago somewhere, so do update me on this.
If tyres are not aligned tyres can go before 4 kms. Our lower arm and bush set was gone. Tyre was eaten up in 3-4K kms.
As pointed out by someone, one of the reasons could be lack of time as Fiat had to come up with this car before Punto hit the road.
Was this car made after Tata-Fiat MOU was signed ?