Difficulty in engaging 1st/2nd/Reverse with the engine on

greenhorn · 9th March 2010, 21:00

All of a sudden, My gearbox has started acting up. I have LOTS of difficulty engaging 1st. slightly less engaging 2nd with the engine on, and the car at rest. Once its running, its not a big issue. Similarly, with the car at rest, reverse engages with a crash of gears.
The gears slot fine with the engine off.
Any idea what's wrong ?

ImmortalZ · 9th March 2010, 21:44

Uh oh. Synchro troubles?

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 9th March 2010, 22:22

@greenhorn, first of all which car are you talking about? is it cable operated or direct link operated? Assuming the lubricants are in order and topped up the likely cause for hard shifting may be- a faulty selector mechanism, faulty clutch/release bearing, if it is a cable shift transmission get your shift cable checked and oiled properly, that may sometimes solve the problem.

Spike

SirAlec · 9th March 2010, 23:56

WHich car is this.

Don't open the gearbox so soon. It can just be a clutch cable or its settings.

GTO · 10th March 2010, 16:00

Greenhorn,

Experienced this problem twice. The first time, it was a worn out clutch, second the clutch cable required proper setting.

planet_rocker · 10th March 2010, 16:04

Check Clutch/Brake oil level - the gears will not engage (with engine on) if there is a leak in the clutch fluid pipe.

greenhorn · 10th March 2010, 16:17

spike, this is a 2007 indica. I believe it has a link operated gearbox. I've done just 31K kms. I wanted to have my independent mech to have a look. Based on the symptoms I described over the phone, he said it could be a weak clutch, but needed a look. I wanted his opinion, but dad insisted on taking to the TASC.
The clutch had always been hard, but the gears were very smooth. This issue showed up suddenly yesterday night.
The car was given today morning, and they say they are replacing the clutch assembly, and that it would not be covered under the extended warranty, and it should cost within 6k for sure.

*sigh*. that's 10+ k for maintainence so far this month.

Shan2nu · 10th March 2010, 16:44

Synchros dont wear out that fast. Its usually the clutch that will cause this to happen. Get that checked.

Shan2nu

trrk · 10th March 2010, 19:58

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenhorn

The clutch had always been hard, but the gears were very smooth. This issue showed up suddenly yesterday night.
The car was given today morning, and they say they are replacing the clutch assembly,

I am sure you are aware of the below post:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...ml#post1498450

The culprit could have been just the fork as was in my case.

After that work, the clutch is smooth, the best since the day I bought it.

I do hope they change the fork too as the normal 'clutch kit' may not include this.

9th March 2010, 21:00	#1
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,744 Thanked: 4,387 Times View My Garage	Difficulty in engaging 1st/2nd/Reverse with the engine on All of a sudden, My gearbox has started acting up. I have LOTS of difficulty engaging 1st. slightly less engaging 2nd with the engine on, and the car at rest. Once its running, its not a big issue. Similarly, with the car at rest, reverse engages with a crash of gears. The gears slot fine with the engine off. Any idea what's wrong ?
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9th March 2010, 21:44	#2
ImmortalZ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,179 Thanked: 488 Times View My Garage	Uh oh. Synchro troubles?
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9th March 2010, 22:22	#3
SPIKE ARRESTOR Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,854 Thanked: 1,532 Times	@greenhorn, first of all which car are you talking about? is it cable operated or direct link operated? Assuming the lubricants are in order and topped up the likely cause for hard shifting may be- a faulty selector mechanism, faulty clutch/release bearing, if it is a cable shift transmission get your shift cable checked and oiled properly, that may sometimes solve the problem. Spike Last edited by SPIKE ARRESTOR : 9th March 2010 at 22:39. Reason: add info
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9th March 2010, 23:56	#4
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,393 Thanked: 726 Times	WHich car is this. Don't open the gearbox so soon. It can just be a clutch cable or its settings.
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10th March 2010, 16:00	#5
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,492 Thanked: 300,289 Times View My Garage	Greenhorn, Experienced this problem twice. The first time, it was a worn out clutch, second the clutch cable required proper setting.
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10th March 2010, 16:04	#6
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	Check Clutch/Brake oil level - the gears will not engage (with engine on) if there is a leak in the clutch fluid pipe.
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10th March 2010, 16:17	#7
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,744 Thanked: 4,387 Times View My Garage	spike, this is a 2007 indica. I believe it has a link operated gearbox. I've done just 31K kms. I wanted to have my independent mech to have a look. Based on the symptoms I described over the phone, he said it could be a weak clutch, but needed a look. I wanted his opinion, but dad insisted on taking to the TASC. The clutch had always been hard, but the gears were very smooth. This issue showed up suddenly yesterday night. The car was given today morning, and they say they are replacing the clutch assembly, and that it would not be covered under the extended warranty, and it should cost within 6k for sure. sigh. that's 10+ k for maintainence so far this month.
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10th March 2010, 16:44	#8
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 125 Times View My Garage	Synchros dont wear out that fast. Its usually the clutch that will cause this to happen. Get that checked. Shan2nu
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