[rbp]

Originally Posted by Rehaan

Any idea what exactly was done?

If the dealer was so reluctant, i'm wondering if they went the whole 9 yards in giving you the newer components, as opposed to doing something like just changing the pads and bleeding the brakes.

cya
R

PS - Perhaps crosscheck parts with dilipkumar7278's pictures, in the small chance that you can actually spot a difference.

Well! the discs and the pads were replaced with bigger ones.


@coolboy007:- Now even hyundai has got rid off the rear discs for the i20. I am happy that my i20 has the rear discs and all the safety airbags.

[sidindica]

Toyota upgrades fortuner's brakes.

Toyota upgrades Fortuner brakes | Autocar India

[sbraj]

Originally Posted by sidindica

Toyota upgrades fortuner's brakes.

Toyota upgrades Fortuner brakes | Autocar India

Posting the images here for better comparison. Source same as above.

Old


New


Following is the image from Dilip's post.

[Rehaan]

Super! Thanks Sidindica / ACI.

So clearly the caliper has been replaced.
The article says the new disc is also thicker.

I wonder if the pads are changed as well, or the same ones are used?

Would love to have more technical details from someone who knows the specifics or had a chance to get hands on with the before & after.

cya
R

[Sahil]

Here's my review on the brake upgrade: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1851963-post44.html

All March MFD Fortuners do NOT have the new brakes so whoever has got their car last month should get put in a complaint and get their brakes upgraded incase not already done.

[formel_eins]

this is a great news, and good to see that Toyota finally took a step before some unfortunate incident involved Fortuner. But why was it not done from day 1? Any idea about brake offerings on Fortuners abroad?? did Toyota compromise on quality of such life saving equipment for Indian market??

A friend of mine works with a influential family of Kolhapur, he travels a lot with them and was glad to see that his employer had purchased Fortuner, but they had a scary experience on Pune-Mumbai expressway where the monster behaved erratically on brakes. The next thing I hear, they sell of Fortuner and buy a Montero

[sbraj]

Originally Posted by formel_eins

The next thing I hear, they sell of Fortuner and buy a Montero

If this spreads, seems like a good time to buy "pre-worshipped" Fortuners?

[bhp]

Originally Posted by Sahil

Here's my review on the brake upgrade: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1851963-post44.html

All March MFD Fortuners do NOT have the new brakes so whoever has got their car last month should get put in a complaint and get their brakes upgraded incase not already done.

But isnt this really strange ??? I mean how come a company doesnt put upgraded brakes in half of its production model in the month of march itself..

My car should be manufactured in-around 1st or 2nd week of march and has upgraded brakes whereas i assume your car is manufactured in 2nd or 3rd week of march and still doesnt have upgraded brakes..

I really smell something fishy..

[Mpower]

Originally Posted by bhp

But isnt this really strange ??? I mean how come a company doesnt put upgraded brakes in half of its production model in the month of march itself..

I really smell something fishy..

Keep in mind Fortuner is being manufactured for many years in other countries. Toyota knew about this problem and already had a fix in hand.

For the IDM Fortuner, looks like they decided to use Innova's brakes to save on cost. After the complaints they are switching to the bigger brakes.

Its not possible to design, tool-up and manufacture a new caliper in a matter of months. After all the screwups happening in the US, you would expect better from Toyota.

From ACI

Its brakes use a system similar to that of the Innova, and were found woefully inadequate when we tested the SUV back in September last year. And buyer feedback confirms this.

[girishnair]

Hi friends! This thread has been quite useful as I have been considering Fortuner for quite some time now. Test drove multiple times, only to be disappointed by weak brakes every time. Did it on both TD vehicles at dealerships and pre-owned ones people selling after driving for just 2000-10000km (there are many in Bangalore). I have not been happy with even those Manufactured after April 2010. I think the Fortuner is badly in need of disc brakes on the rear as well.

My question: Does anyone know whether Toyota is going to do this (rear discs) any time soon? Also, is there any chance of an AT variant this year?

[trammway]

Originally Posted by dilipkumar7278

Recently at the Toyota Q show, I asked the question on Fortuner brakes to the Toyota officials. According to them there are issues in some batches manufactured till Dec09(?),

I think this is not true. Mine is January 2010 manufactured car.
Cheers
Dilip

I think now I'm going through this pain of Brake Kit issue. I have a 2009 fortuner pre-owned and looks like the ex-owner didn't perform the brake replacement.

Today I spoke to the service center and they said that since it is out of warranty vehicle they will charge for the replacement. How cruel, as there is no law that saves the customer interest, these companies first say case-to-case then out of warranty to avoid claims.

I have spoken to the customer care and dropped them an email showing all these evidence asking if warranty replacement has been offered why did the parts get new shape and size? Hence demanding them to replace it free of cost.

I'm certain it's kind of loosing battle but nothing to loose additionally and with almost no hope but to see if Toyota is sensitive for it's customer claims before spending this replacement cost.

Also Dilip to address your statement above as quoted, looks like the brake issue got corrected only after 2010 February, since yours is a 2010 January model you are well with in the bad bunch like mine (ref. the link below).

http://www.hindustantimes.com/autos/...e1-536962.aspx

Here is my beauty without proper (handicap) brakes.

[trammway]

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Not necessary, unless the spigot diameter is different for the older set up. If the diameters of mating parts are same, change is not necessary. Of course, design considerations are important as well.

Originally Posted by Rehaan

Any idea what exactly was done?

Originally Posted by nkrishnap

eagerly waiting for the update and the pics comparing the old braking equipment with the new one.

Though the above questions were pointing to Dilip, I thought I will share some answer to all of your queries. Finally TKM accepted my claim for faulty brakes in the Fortuner and the vehicle is currently at the dealer's workshop undergoing the organ transplantation.

Originally Posted by trammway

I'm certain it's kind of loosing battle but nothing to loose additionally and with almost no hope but to see if Toyota is sensitive for it's customer claims before spending this replacement cost.

Did I say loosing battle, NOooo! It is battle to be won! Almost writing a history for my Fortuner after 5 years of manufacturing date.

In fact now I got to learn what is that Brake Kit consist of when the replacement procedure took place years ago.

[trammway]

Originally Posted by Rehaan

So clearly the caliper has been replaced.
The article says the new disc is also thicker.

I wonder if the pads are changed as well, or the same ones are used?

Would love to have more technical details from someone who knows the specifics or had a chance to get hands on with the before & after.

Originally Posted by trammway

In fact now I got to learn what is that Brake Kit consist of when the replacement procedure took place years ago.

Since the brake pad/kit is worn out already when I was visiting the dealer/TKM for upgrading my brake kit hence they have asked me to share the brake pad kit cost and I quietly agreed. The cost of rest of the parts were close to Rs. 1.2L is what the dealer claimed.

the following pictures of my actual receipt shows all the part numbers and work carried to upgrade the brake kit.





After the upgrade I have driven couple of thousand kms but the end result of braking effect in Toyota Fortuner is far from perfection and very disappointed. There are two areas I'm thinking the brake may behave better, 1.) my tires as currently I have AT tires and 2.)I'm started looking for option to upgrade rear drum to disc brake kit. Looks like these options are plentiful at Thailand hence someone let me know if you have some idea on this front.

Also the physics and any other parallel components that I will need to look at this rear brake upgrade.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by Mpower

Keep in mind Fortuner is being manufactured for many years in other countries. Toyota knew about this problem and already had a fix in hand.

For the IDM Fortuner, looks like they decided to use Innova's brakes to save on cost. After the complaints they are switching to the bigger brakes.

Its not possible to design, tool-up and manufacture a new caliper in a matter of months. After all the screwups happening in the US, you would expect better from Toyota.

From ACI

Old fortuner's original brakes were not Innova brakes, Fortuner's old brakes were also fixed caliper opposed piston brakes compared to then Innova's single piston slider.

I am told they used Prado's brakes for the Fortuner's brake upgrade.

Now hoping for a similar upgrade to Crysta, which I think will never happen.