Toyota upgrading Fortuner's brakes. Comparison pics added!

dilipkumar7278 · 23rd March 2010, 16:13

guys
Gave the car this morning for upgrading with new kit. Will be taking delivery this evening. Hoping for the best. Will be updating you with the results. The good thing is that the service advisor has atlast acknowledged that braking is a problem.
Cheers
Dilip

Note from Mod: Moving your post into a new thread as it is an important development on the Fortuner

Rehaan · 23rd March 2010, 18:12

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Originally Posted by dilipkumar7278

... good news. Today got a call from the dealer. asked me to show my car so that they can upgrade the brakes...

Great. Please try and get details of what exactly is done. Preferably, get pics of the new parts going in / parts coming out. See if you notice a clear difference between the parts (perhaps bigger pistons in the calipers, from what is mentioned here?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by car_crazy1400

....To cut a long story short, I paid Rs.8500 for a new tire...

Taking into account the thread linked below, seems like you might have got a good deal

40K for a Fortuner Tyre!

cya
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dilipkumar7278 · 23rd March 2010, 23:37

Guys
They are changing both the front discs to a bigger one and the calipers . I did not get the car back today. The brake dust seal (a small metallic ring which holds the seal together) has bend and as a precaution they are changing that also. Will give you the details of the parts changed soon.

Here is the snap of upgraded brake kit. It looks bigger visually.
When asked whether the fortuners coming now has the upgraded brakes, they said that they have not recieved any info regarding this.
cheers

car_crazy1400 · 24th March 2010, 06:24

Mine has same front brakes. I saw them while replacing the cut tire.

GTO · 24th March 2010, 18:04

Dilip, considering that the front brakes do a majority of the braking work, this move was much overdue! Toyota MUST run a formal recall and ensure that ALL Fortuners sold till date receive a set of upgraded brakes.

However, I still don't agree with providing rear drums on a 20 lakh automobile. That's just not done...all wheel discs are mandatory for an SUV of its size, price and power.

car_crazy1400 · 24th March 2010, 18:32

I agree with Rush.

However, I had driven the fortuner for about 50-60kms before getting my own and now I can indeed state that the upgraded brakes work like a dream especially when compared to the earlier scary setup. I have braked from speeds upto 130 kmph (i know its the running in period but our highways and new car enthusiasm to test brakes) and found no brake fade at all , unlike the earlier brakes that used to die suddenly.

But I do agree that rear discs would have been much better.

nirmaljusdoit · 24th March 2010, 21:06

Is this a recall of all Fortuners sold till a particular date ? Or doing a selective replacement on customer complaints ?

Coming at this time ,this reflects very badly on Toyota particularly considering the braking & acceleration problems on the Prius & other models.
+1 to you GTO, Toyota definitely needs to come clean & do a recall ASAP to save its long term reputation.

The Fortuner is sold elsewhere around the world, haven't they faced the same problems ? This can't possibly be a problem specific to the Indian market. ??
The brake system couldn't have been localized with the low volumes in India (6 ~ 7K per year)

ilangop · 25th March 2010, 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

However, I still don't agree with providing rear drums on a 20 lakh automobile. That's just not done...all wheel discs are mandatory for an SUV of its size, price and power.

Untill the braking force available at the rear wheel meets the deceleration requirements for the vehicle of that class, a drum brake can do the job. Still drum brakes reduce the complexity in having a parking brake as compared to a disc brake system. Apart from this, the braking force on the rear wheel is far lesser as compared to the front wheels. So a larger disc naturally provieds more of braking torque (Torque = Force X Nominal radius of disc & Force = oil pressure X Caliper Area X 2 per wheel). I dont have to tell this to you as you are an expert, still its for learners.

Ricky_63 · 25th March 2010, 10:27

THAT is nice to hear. Toyota has finally accepted that the Fortuner has inadequate brakes. I do hope this is not a one off thing. They SHOULD upgrade brakes on all Fortuners sold till date (as GTO put it) & upgrade the brakes on the production line straight away.

It would go a long way in restoring the brand image which of late has taken a beating Globally.

Cheers

car_crazy1400 · 26th March 2010, 23:52

Hey Dilip! can you please update us on the status of the new brakes being put on your Fortuner?
did you get the delivery & are the brakes better than before?

nkrishnap · 27th March 2010, 00:44

Dilip eagerly waiting for the update and the pics comparing the old braking equipment with the new one.

Thanks in advance

4x4addict · 27th March 2010, 12:30

Can someone please upload the mm and part number of the larger discs, pads compared tot he original? Just want to make sure that it is not some sort of hog wash being perpetrated by the dealer.

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 27th March 2010, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilangop

Untill the braking force available at the rear wheel meets the deceleration requirements for the vehicle of that class, a drum brake can do the job. Still drum brakes reduce the complexity in having a parking brake as compared to a disc brake system. Apart from this, the braking force on the rear wheel is far lesser as compared to the front wheels. So a larger disc naturally provieds more of braking torque (Torque = Force X Nominal radius of disc & Force = oil pressure X Caliper Area X 2 per wheel). I dont have to tell this to you as you are an expert, still its for learners.

Ilangop, there is a huge difference between brake force and braking force, did you mean brake force or braking force?

Spike

dilipkumar7278 · 27th March 2010, 13:15

guys
Sorry for the late reply. I got the car only last evening. I had a chance to brake hard within 5 min of getting my car. There is a vast improvement over the previous setup. I now feel confident . The earlier spongy feeling of the brakes has reduced so is the play in the pedal. They should have done this in the first place. I asked them to allow me to take photos of the old brakes, but they refused saying that they don't allow photographing of parts which they changed under warranty. Strange reasoning, is it not ? Can anyone who has a Fortuner with old brakes take a snap so that we can compare the changes? It seems they do not want the other owners to know about this for obvious reasons. The invoice given to me mentions only 'BRAKE KIT'. The Service Engineer told me that KIT consists of a bigger dia Discs, bigger rotors, pads and pins[ which I didn't understand]. Anyway as long as the brakes work fine its ok for me. Through this forum we can definitely spread this info.

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 27th March 2010, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by dilipkumar7278

guys
The Service Engineer told me that KIT consists of a bigger dia Discs, bigger rotors, pads and pins[ which I didn't understand]. Anyway as long as the brakes work fine its ok for me. Through this forum we can definitely spread this info.

Aren't bigger dia discs and bigger rotors the same?

. Did the Service Engineer tell you this?

Spike

23rd March 2010, 16:13	#1
dilipkumar7278 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: COCHIN Posts: 441 Thanked: 109 Times View My Garage	Toyota upgrading Fortuner's brakes. Comparison pics added! guys Gave the car this morning for upgrading with new kit. Will be taking delivery this evening. Hoping for the best. Will be updating you with the results. The good thing is that the service advisor has atlast acknowledged that braking is a problem. Cheers Dilip Note from Mod: Moving your post into a new thread as it is an important development on the Fortuner Last edited by GTO : 24th March 2010 at 18:05. Reason: Moving your post into a new thread as it is an important development on the Fortuner
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23rd March 2010, 23:37	#3
dilipkumar7278 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: COCHIN Posts: 441 Thanked: 109 Times View My Garage	Guys They are changing both the front discs to a bigger one and the calipers . I did not get the car back today. The brake dust seal (a small metallic ring which holds the seal together) has bend and as a precaution they are changing that also. Will give you the details of the parts changed soon. Here is the snap of upgraded brake kit. It looks bigger visually. When asked whether the fortuners coming now has the upgraded brakes, they said that they have not recieved any info regarding this. cheers Attached Thumbnails
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24th March 2010, 06:24	#4
car_crazy1400 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DL/UP16/PB10 Posts: 647 Thanked: 330 Times	Mine has same front brakes. I saw them while replacing the cut tire.
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24th March 2010, 18:04	#5
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,510 Thanked: 300,653 Times View My Garage	Dilip, considering that the front brakes do a majority of the braking work, this move was much overdue! Toyota MUST run a formal recall and ensure that ALL Fortuners sold till date receive a set of upgraded brakes. However, I still don't agree with providing rear drums on a 20 lakh automobile. That's just not done...all wheel discs are mandatory for an SUV of its size, price and power.
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24th March 2010, 18:32	#6
car_crazy1400 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DL/UP16/PB10 Posts: 647 Thanked: 330 Times	I agree with Rush. However, I had driven the fortuner for about 50-60kms before getting my own and now I can indeed state that the upgraded brakes work like a dream especially when compared to the earlier scary setup. I have braked from speeds upto 130 kmph (i know its the running in period but our highways and new car enthusiasm to test brakes) and found no brake fade at all , unlike the earlier brakes that used to die suddenly. But I do agree that rear discs would have been much better.
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24th March 2010, 21:06	#7
nirmaljusdoit BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 833 Thanked: 673 Times	Is this a recall of all Fortuners sold till a particular date ? Or doing a selective replacement on customer complaints ? Coming at this time ,this reflects very badly on Toyota particularly considering the braking & acceleration problems on the Prius & other models. +1 to you GTO, Toyota definitely needs to come clean & do a recall ASAP to save its long term reputation. The Fortuner is sold elsewhere around the world, haven't they faced the same problems ? This can't possibly be a problem specific to the Indian market. ?? The brake system couldn't have been localized with the low volumes in India (6 ~ 7K per year)
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25th March 2010, 10:27	#9
Ricky_63 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,885 Thanked: 518 Times View My Garage	THAT is nice to hear. Toyota has finally accepted that the Fortuner has inadequate brakes. I do hope this is not a one off thing. They SHOULD upgrade brakes on all Fortuners sold till date (as GTO put it) & upgrade the brakes on the production line straight away. It would go a long way in restoring the brand image which of late has taken a beating Globally. Cheers
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26th March 2010, 23:52	#10
car_crazy1400 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DL/UP16/PB10 Posts: 647 Thanked: 330 Times	Hey Dilip! can you please update us on the status of the new brakes being put on your Fortuner? did you get the delivery & are the brakes better than before?
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27th March 2010, 00:44	#11
nkrishnap Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,983 Thanked: 7,407 Times View My Garage	Dilip eagerly waiting for the update and the pics comparing the old braking equipment with the new one. Thanks in advance
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27th March 2010, 12:30	#12
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,483 Thanked: 4,529 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	Can someone please upload the mm and part number of the larger discs, pads compared tot he original? Just want to make sure that it is not some sort of hog wash being perpetrated by the dealer.
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27th March 2010, 13:15	#14
dilipkumar7278 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: COCHIN Posts: 441 Thanked: 109 Times View My Garage	guys Sorry for the late reply. I got the car only last evening. I had a chance to brake hard within 5 min of getting my car. There is a vast improvement over the previous setup. I now feel confident . The earlier spongy feeling of the brakes has reduced so is the play in the pedal. They should have done this in the first place. I asked them to allow me to take photos of the old brakes, but they refused saying that they don't allow photographing of parts which they changed under warranty. Strange reasoning, is it not ? Can anyone who has a Fortuner with old brakes take a snap so that we can compare the changes? It seems they do not want the other owners to know about this for obvious reasons. The invoice given to me mentions only 'BRAKE KIT'. The Service Engineer told me that KIT consists of a bigger dia Discs, bigger rotors, pads and pins[ which I didn't understand]. Anyway as long as the brakes work fine its ok for me. Through this forum we can definitely spread this info.
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