Palio 2002 - Electricals - Lights Turn On When Key Is Off

genesis · 18th July 2010, 07:01

2002 palio 1.2. Wierd problem.

Reversing the car to get it out of the parking spot.
All of a sudden, car stops.
Now the car does not crank. But even wierder is the fact that when I remove the keys, the electricals, lights etc switch on.
If I turn the key to the crank position, the electricals remain on but does not crank.
There is a midway position where the electricals switch off.

The only abnormal thing I did before this happened, is:
Tried to remove some petrol from the tank for another vehicle (long story) and
put a plastic pipe all the way into the fuel tank. (Did take it out, since i
sucked in more vapor than petrol). The car did crank right after that.

Any insights are welcome. Right now I have disconnected the battery. The electrician will be coming by noon, but need to guide him.

yogisays0909 · 18th July 2010, 07:42

I had faced the same issue with my esteem , it was due to hairline cut in the wiring loom and thanx to the rains water seeped in and shot the wires. in esteem wiring pass thru the left fender.

clevermax · 18th July 2010, 09:26

Looks like you Palio is possessed!!

I'd like to know what the issue was, please post details here once it is resolved..

vigsom · 18th July 2010, 09:33

I think there was a thread on Fiat Palio issues and solutions.That could help

planet_rocker · 18th July 2010, 12:33

the accessory mode near the key hole get activated by any chance? how did it stall? did it shutdown on its own? or it could be the connections near the key hole.

genesis · 18th July 2010, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by planet_rocker

the accessory mode near the key hole get activated by any chance? how did it stall? did it shutdown on its own? or it could be the connections near the key hole.

You are kind of accurate. It is an ignition key assembly issue. The electrician came by and he can start the wire by shorting wires.
Now the ignition assembly is turning out to be very expensive.
Some 1800 for the plastic holding and 1200 for the lock and key assembly.
The electrician has asked for time to see if he can do some jugaad.
Any bright ideas or has anyone replaced their palio ignition key assembly?

(One reason this could have happened, is that I had a duplicate key made recently. Maybe the guy who made it jammed up something!)

genesis · 19th July 2010, 10:12

Can someone guide me as to where the fuel cutoff switch for a palio 1.2 EL may be located and how to reset it?

planet_rocker · 19th July 2010, 10:25

it is located on the passenger side > below the dash board. it looks like cig' lighter.

Why, what seems to be the problem?

planet_rocker · 19th July 2010, 10:29

The best solution - donot go for a juggad - get peace of mind and go for an OE replacement.

all the best.

genesis · 19th July 2010, 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by planet_rocker

it is located on the passenger side > below the dash board. it looks like cig' lighter.

Why, what seems to be the problem?

Was wondering if it was preventing the key from being operated if it had tripped. But the mechanic can start the car using wires so it does not seem to be the case

planet_rocker · 19th July 2010, 11:42

Fuel cut-off switch will get activated in case of an impact - this information is usually mention on the back side of the driver's side sun-shade

rikhav · 19th July 2010, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by planet_rocker

The best solution - donot go for a juggad - get peace of mind and go for an OE replacement.

all the best.

Hi Planet Rocker
Peace of mind if the OE will be in stock :P

I had issue with the headlight switch and the electrician removed the whole part and cleaned it properly and it started to work.

planet_rocker · 19th July 2010, 23:00

i guess it is available. well that is what i made out from the OP's post.

else he can always opt for some other solution.

genesis · 20th July 2010, 18:25

Posting The Solution:
The ignition key assembly was faulty. I had made a duplicate key a few days ago and apparently that caused a part of the assembly to short out.

Driver got a second hand ignition key assembly from Kurla CST (Bharatiya Auto) (it is a black cylinder with the key assembly at the end) and it was fitted. Works like a charm.
Only irritant is that I now have two keys. One for the doors and the other for the ignition.

kavesh55 · 10th September 2012, 21:33

Dear Genesis,

Posting this 2 years late, but hope its of use to others. I had the same problem starting this week, remove the keys lights on. The culprit was a damaged lever inside the lock assembly & faulty connector. A circular device that connects to the other circular part having slots for accessory activation.

Solution-
Second hand ignition was bought from Chor bazaar and the connector was removed. You dont get connectors as spare. The lever was made by the lock smith. Replaced the faulty connector and it works. One key for the entire car.

Total damage- INR 1300 which is the cheapest bet, considering a new barrel itself costs 1800 + labour.

18th July 2010, 07:01	#1
genesis BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 773 Thanked: 339 Times	Palio 2002 - Electricals - Lights Turn On When Key Is Off 2002 palio 1.2. Wierd problem. Reversing the car to get it out of the parking spot. All of a sudden, car stops. Now the car does not crank. But even wierder is the fact that when I remove the keys, the electricals, lights etc switch on. If I turn the key to the crank position, the electricals remain on but does not crank. There is a midway position where the electricals switch off. The only abnormal thing I did before this happened, is: Tried to remove some petrol from the tank for another vehicle (long story) and put a plastic pipe all the way into the fuel tank. (Did take it out, since i sucked in more vapor than petrol). The car did crank right after that. Any insights are welcome. Right now I have disconnected the battery. The electrician will be coming by noon, but need to guide him.
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18th July 2010, 07:42	#2
yogisays0909 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 538 Thanked: 313 Times View My Garage	I had faced the same issue with my esteem , it was due to hairline cut in the wiring loom and thanx to the rains water seeped in and shot the wires. in esteem wiring pass thru the left fender.
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18th July 2010, 09:26	#3
clevermax Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tvm/Amsterdam Posts: 2,086 Thanked: 2,640 Times View My Garage	Looks like you Palio is possessed!! I'd like to know what the issue was, please post details here once it is resolved..
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18th July 2010, 09:33	#4
vigsom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NSEW Posts: 3,759 Thanked: 25,461 Times	I think there was a thread on Fiat Palio issues and solutions.That could help
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18th July 2010, 12:33	#5
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	the accessory mode near the key hole get activated by any chance? how did it stall? did it shutdown on its own? or it could be the connections near the key hole. Last edited by planet_rocker : 18th July 2010 at 12:37.
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19th July 2010, 10:12	#7
genesis BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 773 Thanked: 339 Times	Fiat Palio 1.2 2002 - Fuel Cut Off Switch Can someone guide me as to where the fuel cutoff switch for a palio 1.2 EL may be located and how to reset it?
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19th July 2010, 10:25	#8
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	it is located on the passenger side > below the dash board. it looks like cig' lighter. Why, what seems to be the problem?
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19th July 2010, 10:29	#9
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	The best solution - donot go for a juggad - get peace of mind and go for an OE replacement. all the best.
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19th July 2010, 11:42	#11
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	Fuel cut-off switch will get activated in case of an impact - this information is usually mention on the back side of the driver's side sun-shade
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19th July 2010, 23:00	#13
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	i guess it is available. well that is what i made out from the OP's post. else he can always opt for some other solution. Last edited by planet_rocker : 19th July 2010 at 23:01.
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20th July 2010, 18:25	#14
genesis BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 773 Thanked: 339 Times	Posting The Solution: The ignition key assembly was faulty. I had made a duplicate key a few days ago and apparently that caused a part of the assembly to short out. Driver got a second hand ignition key assembly from Kurla CST (Bharatiya Auto) (it is a black cylinder with the key assembly at the end) and it was fitted. Works like a charm. Only irritant is that I now have two keys. One for the doors and the other for the ignition.
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10th September 2012, 21:33	#15
kavesh55 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 748 Thanked: 49 Times	Re: Palio 2002 - Electricals - Lights Turn On When Key Is Off Dear Genesis, Posting this 2 years late, but hope its of use to others. I had the same problem starting this week, remove the keys lights on. The culprit was a damaged lever inside the lock assembly & faulty connector. A circular device that connects to the other circular part having slots for accessory activation. Solution- Second hand ignition was bought from Chor bazaar and the connector was removed. You dont get connectors as spare. The lever was made by the lock smith. Replaced the faulty connector and it works. One key for the entire car. Total damage- INR 1300 which is the cheapest bet, considering a new barrel itself costs 1800 + labour. Last edited by kavesh55 : 10th September 2012 at 21:47.
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