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23rd August 2010, 19:26 | #16 | |
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However, if I understand correctly, I should ask the service guys to check the solenoid valves/EGR and pray that its not open and if it is, a simple cleaning could take care of it. However, tell me, did it increase fuel efficiency? Didn't see an update from you? Know what, somehow the smoking problem is there only when the engine is idle or when I rev hard in the 1st/2nd gear but not in the higher gears? I know it sounds counter-intuitive and your first thought might be that revving at higher gears, I am travelling fast enough and the smoke gets dissipated fast so I don't see it. I believed this too but one of these rainy days, I got stuck for nearly 2 hrs around Mahim (I had started from Mahim itself) and I was smoking enough to put 20-yr old trucks to shame. Once the traffic cleared, I notched up some speed and again got stuck at Powai (nearly 15 kms from Mahim). This time (after having driven at decent speeds for 15 kms), the car didn't smoke appreciably. I thought it was very-very weird. Any suggestions? Yes-yes-yes! When I had first test driven the CRDi at the Mahindra showroom, it felt very powerful even with the AC on, as compared to both the Polo & the Figo (I had test-driven both and for lack of a perfect car decided on a used car); however, after they blundered and put petrol instead of diesel, somehow the power seemed less. As others have suggested, I'll get the turbo checked. | |
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23rd August 2010, 19:31 | #17 | |||||
Distinguished - BHPian | @manishk83: Here are my responses to your queries... Smoking, fuel efficiency & acceleration issues: The car has been run on petrol or a petrol-diesel mix for some distance, which would have resulted in pre-ignition damage to the tops of pistons, as well as head, valves, gaskets etc., apart from some likely damage to the high-pressure fuel pump and injectors. How much damage, only an open-and-inspect exercise can tell. If I were you, I wouldn't have picked up the car knowing that it's been run on petrol. That said, the commonest external (non-engine-block-related) reason for smoking, loss of acceleration and low mileage in this engine is a fouled EGR valve or failed EGR solenoid. The usual remedy is to replace & not repair; running the engine with the EGR system disconnected is a quick test to check whether this is the culprit in the first place - disconnecting the faulty EGR circuit should see improvement in acceleration and mileage, as well as lower smoke. Try this first before exploring other options. Suspension The Accent CRDi/Viva CRDi's suspension is extremely robust, and is not known to require shock absorber (damper) replacement at 52k km. My own car had seen abuse on the highways at high speeds over more than 1L km, without needing a suspension job. You say Quote:
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23rd August 2010, 20:21 | #18 | |
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In the meantime, have decided to leave with the suspensions. Once I have enough dole, will look at changing that. Internals first, peripherals later. The SC guys have also told me that the clutch is hard and will require about 7k for a change. They've also told me that it could be a possible reason for low FE. A probable explanation? Clutch system change at 52k kms? @Drifter: A good Hyundai service centre in Mumbai would be..? | |
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23rd August 2010, 23:53 | #20 |
Senior - BHPian | I used Gulf Max Td 15w40, its doing fine. Already nearing next change.This time too, will use the same.You can go for Synthetic oil, they are better, last long and are costlier too. Last edited by agspins : 23rd August 2010 at 23:55. |
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24th August 2010, 11:12 | #21 |
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| When do you guys upshift? csateesh tells me CRDi's useful band is 1500-2750 rpm. However, my mill only comes into its own at around 1800-2000 rpm & feels losing out of steam at around 3400-3600 rpm which is where I tend to upshift when I'm driving aggressively and at around 3000 rpm when I'm just cruising. Is that affecting fuel efficiency? Also, I could be mistaking torque for acceleration?? (I'm a Newbie ) Thankyou csateesh for this link: http://petes.in/images/609.pdf Now I know what the ideal characterstics of the motor should be! PS: Looking forward to the meeting with Drifter this weekend to get some perspective. |
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24th August 2010, 16:39 | #22 | ||||
Distinguished - BHPian | Quote: If the dampers are indeed reconditioned/faulty, it would be worth the 3500 INR or so that it costs to replace the front pair. Why damage the mountings over a period of time? Originals, Gabriel, Monroe, use any good one - IMO they all work well. Quote:
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Fuel economywise, I've got a maximum ever of 17.2km/l, and a minimum ever of 11.2 km/l. The summer economy (100% AC) used to be between 12.5(city)-14.5(highway) km/l, and winter economy (without AC) 15(city)-16.5(highway) km/l. I'd been told they could tweak the economy a little more (some cars even report 20 km/l), but I was quite happy with the performance, and didn't want lower performance to get better mileage - so I never bothered to try out whatever tweak was possible. Last edited by SS-Traveller : 24th August 2010 at 16:45. Reason: Formatting | ||||
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25th August 2010, 13:57 | #23 |
Senior - BHPian | Manish, saw your PM and read the thread too. Shamindra has listed all possible solutions and detailed it. Primarily, the petrol seems to be the culprit. Get the EGR checked and do a de-carb. It might help. To be honest, a 3 cylinder diesel never excited me. |
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25th August 2010, 14:11 | #24 | |
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Not really my friend. Viva CRDi with and without Pete's was a lot of fun to drive. After maturing to a 4 pot diesel, i agree Viva was raw, uncouth but hell, lot of fun too | |
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25th August 2010, 19:25 | #25 |
Distinguished - BHPian | OT: 3 cylinders on an M-800 triggered the original aversion to such engines. Those who drove the Accent CRDi had that misconception cured. Last edited by GTO : 27th August 2010 at 01:21. Reason: Re-opening thread |
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28th August 2010, 22:17 | #26 | |
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And the Mahindra First Choice guys are going to see my side on Tuesday. I'll just blast them off. First things first, SS-Traveller, csateesh, AbhiJ, agspins, Rovergen, others: Thankyou for the immense help that you guys have been giving me all these days and hoping to get more such help from you. @drifter: Meeting you today was such an enlightening experience (On a lighter vein: Now I know how to check the engine oil level . That's right, I didn't previously). Also, the first T-BHPian that I was meeting personally and may I add that I was simply blown away by the amount of knowledge that you have. I can now see why T-BHP is what it is!!! PS: I'll definitely come for T-BHP meets. Well, here's a summary of my discussions with drifter: 1. Smoke: The car is indeed smoking a lot and the color of the smoke is white. It should ideally have been black. Diagnosis: Oil is getting into the engine. Which was also verified by the engine oil level. I had had the car serviced 10 days back and engine oil was replaced. After the service, the car has been driven for 1400 kms and when we checked the oil level, it was at the Low mark. Mahindra First Choice, Majiwada Circle, Thane guys will hear from me for this. One gives a premium to the Mahindra guys for "peace of mind" (drifter's words) and this is just not expected of them. Bad suspensions, wear & tear,yes! It's a used car after all. But not a bad engine. Possible Explanation1: The engine oil might be getting into the engine from the turbo. Possible Explanation2: The membrane which separates the upper valves from the lower cylinders might not be air-tight. Possible Explanation3: Piston gaskets might not be tight enough. 2. Acceleration: The acceleration is poor and there is no turbo kick at ~2000 rpm as it should with an Accent CRDi. The turbo-kick should actually be strong enough to pin your chest to the seat. Should I be taking Drifter's words with a pinch of salt considering that he had Pete'd his car or did others too feel the same strong turbo-kick at ~2000 rpm? Diagnosis1: Possible turbo failure. Will need to get this checked at HASS. BTW, should I go to HASS or try a reliable mechanic outside? At the last service, HASS guys (Asset Hyundai, Kanjurmarg) told me that there is nothing wrong with the engine and that a "diesel does usually smoke, so no worries". Are they HASS or ASSes? Anyone from Mumbai, any suggestions on a good mechanic for CRDi or a good HASS? Diagnosis2: I need to get the compression of the cylinders checked. That might be a problem. The compression might not be proper i.e some leakage is possible. Again, the HASS guys charged me 250/- for an engine scan and told me that "there's nothing wrong with the engine". When I went to them 3 days post delivery for a post-delivery service feedback, they asked me if I'm experiencing low pick-up. When I said yes, they told me to bring the car again and that they'll perform an engine scan again. Shouldn't they have known the results of the scan when they charged me for it and shouldn't they have conveyed the same to me? If they again charge me for an engine scan, they too will hear from me!! I'm on fire (both literally & figuratively) PS: I wish I had the freedom to use more than 2 smilies. I've already exhausted my quota. 4. Suspensions: Yes they are bad, but one can live with them for the time being. All they do is affect comfort. Engine rectification is the more pressing need right now and ofcourse, "limited means, unlimited demands" (another smilie pls!) 5. Whooosshhhhh sound: Actually, I forgot to ask drifter about this, will askk the HASS/mechanic I go to next. 6. Overall: I might have got a lemon (I will take liberties here & hope the mods pass it off as a one-off not-following-the-rules) . As everyone else has said, so did drifter: I shouldn't have accepted the car knowing they had put petrol instead of diesel. But you know what guys, back then, I thought the Mahindra guys were atleast honest about accepting their mistake. They could easily have not told me and made some excuse and being a Newbie, I would never have known. Which is why I gave them leeway and didn't protest. But now I know, they actually passed off a lot of things without telling me. This time they'll hear from me. Guys, like you have done until now, pls keep pouring your suggestions. Will be going to the HASS/mechanic (if I find some good CRDi mechanic by then) on Monday and post the compression test/engine scan, will go the Mahindra First Choice guys on Tuesday. Important: As they say, all factual inaccuracies are completely & solely my responsibility. As a Newbie, it's entirely possible that drifter might have said something else & I might be reproducing it incorrectly. | |
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30th August 2010, 21:06 | #27 | |
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You can source the parts outside and get the labour done at HASS. HASS is very very flexible now. They are doing their best to win over their customers. I have atleast 3 very +ve feedback from my friends circle about the same. I would like to repeat what GTO keeps saying "God bless competition" Sorry to hear about your situation but take this up with the right folks to ensure that the job is accomplished with minimal expense Good luck Sateesh | |
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30th August 2010, 21:43 | #28 |
Senior - BHPian | Hey manishk83, It was good to meet up. Couple of other things I'd like to add, the CRDi's acceleration even without the Pete's box was enough to pin you to the seat once past 2000rpm. Like I said suspension was on the stiffer side. But the engine needs to be looked at. Just remember don't give into anything they say. Ensure you get it repaired at their cost and also tell the them about the suspension. Get whatever you can get done from them. Drifter |
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30th August 2010, 22:09 | #29 | |
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30th August 2010, 22:24 | #30 | ||||||
Distinguished - BHPian | Pardon the delay in replying, Manish. Quote:
1) The oil leaks out from the engine onto the ground. Usually would not result in smoke like you describe. 2) Oil leaks from "oily" side to the "watery" side - i.e. into the coolant circulating around the engine block. Usually because of a leaking head gasket. Evident as oil floating in the radiator and coolant overflow tank. Vice versa may also be visible, i.e. coolant gets into oil - the oil discolours/turns milky. Replacing a gasket sorts this out generally. 3) Oil leaks from bottom of piston to top - into the combustion chamber. Due to worn or broken piston rings. Highest possibility of this happening to your car. The engine oil seeps past the rings, burns partially in the combustion chamber, and comes out as smoke from the tailpipe. Expensive to repair this. Quote:
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