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Originally Posted by venkatrx santosh, a great post indeed.
but to pick from the cars i had mentioned, how to go about it?
which is best for city traffic driving and why? |
OK, let us take example of baleno and NCH-ZX. Before going ahead let me correct a typing mistake in baleno-EIII numebers- 2nd RPM (peak power) is at 5500 not 6000 as I had mentioned. So we have
(all numbers are N-m/tonne@RPM)
baleno-EIII: 122.5@3000 & 110.7@5500
NCH-ZX: 110.6@2700 & 95.3@5000
Note that we are comaring just engines and assuming gearings are fairly close to each other. Also we don't have any accurate torque curves either. So we are extracting as much from these numbers as we can....
It is obvious that peak torque puts an absolute maximum limit to the torque curve. So if we don't have any other data, then all that we can say is that cure has to be below a horizontal line which is equal to peak torque. But we have another data which is peak power. This puts another limitation on the curve, i.e. at any point the power can not exceed this number. Therefore it is implied that power corresponding to peak torque has to be less than peak power or at the most equal to it. It further implies that below peak torque RPM, max. torque limit prevails, as the max. power limit is ruled out. Now imagine we plot the max limit on torque curve - from zero RPM through peak torque RPM it is just a straight line = peak torque. As you continue, we reach an another RPM between peak torque and peak power where max. power limit take over, which can be calculated mathematiacally. For baleno-EIII, it is 4970.2 RPM and for NCH-ZX it is 4308.3 RPM. After that, the max. limit on the curve is governed by max. power limit, which takes form of inverse proportion to RPM, i.e. K/RPM where K is a constant = 608850 for baleno-EIII and 476500 for NCH-ZX. You can say that at 5500 where baleno claims to produce 110.7 N-m/Tonne, NCH-ZX can theoretically produce not more than 86.64 N-m/Tonne. As you move ahead, baleno is redlined at 6500, don't know about NCH-ZX.
Regarding lower RPM's, anything below idling RPM doesn't have any practical significance because at that speed engine will start knocking or will stall. Generally the torque of any engine is very less at idle, after which it raises to peak torque in a particular way depending on engine characteristics. As a matter of fact, baleno reaches a very good level of roughly 105 N-m/Tonne right at 1000 RPM which just little less than NCH-ZX's max. limit across a large range from 0 to 4308.3 RPM, beyond which its even lesser! This is based on baleno's torque curve published by MUL for EII model, for EIII it is slightly reduced as you move from mid to high RPMs. At 2700 RPM where NCH-ZX is "guaranteed" to produce 110.6 N-m/Tonne, baleno is somewhere close to its peak itself, may be around 115-120.
The verdict is clear, baleno is head and shoulder above NCH-ZX in terms of being
flat and
high which also includes
low end, so be it city or high way baleno is better. As I mentioned earlier, we are not considering gearing. But we know that-
-operational RPM range of two cars is quite similar
-operational road speed targets are also similar
-weight factor is already accounted for, since we have always used torqes as "per tonne"
therefore, gearbox designers for baleno must have had more flexibility as compared to NCH. At high speeds we should consider drag also. But again both cars are known to be aerodynamically good, don't really know which one is better. Though, front projected area is also similar (I guess baleno may be lesser, which is beneficial in reducing drag)
Now, lets take Viva-CRDi instead of NCH. Knowing gearing would be better here. Just for theoretical analysis, lets assume we are using baleno's drive chain but Viva's engine. In order to get similar road speeds for various gears, we would need to connect a speed multiplier from engine to the gearbox, which is essentially torque buster in other words. Let say we use such a ratio which brings it's max power point to that of baleno. Then we can modify Viva's spec as follows, which then can be fairly compared with baleno. So original specs were-
(all numbers are N-m/tonne@RPM)
Viva-CRDi: 152.3@2000 & 115.8@4000
and transformed specs would be
110.76@2750 & 84.22@5500
this is very close to NCH-ZX, and it is impressive for a diesel (of course, it is due to CRDI technology). But remember one thing, though we have virtually stretched Viva's RPM range, actual engine would operate within its original limits. That being considerably lesser, Viva is going to be more drivable than NCH. Now, actual gearing used in Viva may be different. They could have improved any of the parameters like low/mid/high speed performance, max speed, drivability etc. at the cost of some others.
Wanted to mention one more imprtant point that even torque curves of engines are nothing but max. limit that it can produce at corresponding RPMs. But it is more of a static data. It takes some time for engine to transition from one RPM to another. So when you are changing speeds quickly, you won't get all the torque shown on the curve! How well or sluggishly it responds determines so called "rev happiness" of the engine.
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after 50,000 kms of driving, how would be the condition of a 'fiesta-petrol' car v/s 'fiesta-diesel' car? will the diesel car be too much screwed up?
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Answer to this question will depend on many other factors other than just torque and power numbers, like entire design and materials used to construct these engines...I guess its too complicated, so better I don't make any comment since I don't have enough expertice