[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by gauravdgr8

...Now the question is, should I opt for Kiirus or Race Dynamics DieselTronic or a Pete's box.

Output from all would be more or less the same as well as the price.

Of all, my pick would be RD box. The cost is significantly lesser than Petes [16K Vs 28K?] and from the feed-backs, they can tune the box specifically to your requirements & driving style. Do you have dealers in AP? Kiirus may be the last option as they don't have support in AP [as from your post].

Go for the power / torque bump if you know your car inside out and know the limits. The car has soft suspension and make sure you don't get carried away with all those additional power.

Originally Posted by gauravdgr8

Come 28th August and as planned, we left for the much awaited road trip to Rajasthan.

....Driving on those, the car has not developed a single rattle....

Nice to know you successfully completed the trip and the car is holding well. Only if TATA had ensured the right marketing for this car!

Edit::

Originally Posted by gauravdgr8

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3. Checked Fuel Filter - Change not needed. Will require @ 20,000.
4. Cleaned Air Filter.

Fuel filters are required to be changed ONLY at 20K intervals.

Did you re-use the air filter? Ideally it needs to be changed every 10K kms. Was it changed in between?

[gauravdgr8]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

Fuel filters are required to be changed ONLY at 20K intervals.

Did you re-use the air filter? Ideally it needs to be changed every 10K kms. Was it changed in between?

Thanks for the RD box feedback. Will surely have a look at it. Yes, because of the soft suspension, it's only issue is at corners on speeds in excess of 100. So that is surely on my mind.

Air Filter was not changed at 10k. As per the manual, it requires only cleaning. Initially I also thought that it requires a change every 10K.

[motomaverick]

Which of these would be recommended for Manza with the sole criteria of improving drivability in the lower rpms along with being value for money.

RD Dieseltronic........was quoted at 19990/-
Unichip.......Not sure about the price
Racechip.....Not available localy
Petes....Seems more expensive

[gauravdgr8]

Originally Posted by motomaverick

Which of these would be recommended for Manza with the sole criteria of improving drivability in the lower rpms along with being value for money.

RD Dieseltronic........was quoted at 19990/-
Unichip.......Not sure about the price
Racechip.....Not available localy
Petes....Seems more expensive

Pete's has been the best at a price. Next comes RD.

In- gear acceleration & 0-60 are best in Pete’s so I’ll chose Pete’s if I drive only in city & performance is my only importance.

However, 0-100 and 0-150 figures are better for RD.

[motomaverick]

Originally Posted by gauravdgr8

Pete's has been the best at a price. Next comes RD.

In- gear acceleration & 0-60 are best in Pete’s so I’ll chose Pete’s if I drive only in city & performance is my only importance.

However, 0-100 and 0-150 figures are better for RD.

I am looking for better drivability i.e. initial and mid range, not much concerned about the top end as we hardly touch too high speeds. How much is Pete retailing for now?

[gauravdgr8]

15,000 kms Vista Detailed Report

As promised, here is my take on the Vista after it has completed 15,000kms.

Performance

Vista is seriously a no nonsense car. It continues to surprise me even after completing 15,000kms. As mentioned earlier, I was initially not even looking at the Vista, however after Test Driving the Sedan Class, things changed.

Ride

Ride on the Vista is on the softer side. What does it do to you? Well, the rear is very comfy, like a Stanley sofa, however with little bit of a body roll on extremely low or high speeds on corners.

Handling

Handling has been decent on the Vista. I would rate the handling @ 8/10. That’s because of the body roll, else the heavy body built ensures you have a very planted ride.

Build and Quality

It’s not an Indica. It’s a Vista. Go compare the eV2 and the Vista and you would know once you open and close the doors.

Completing 15,000 kms and driving over some of the worst terrians, the car has no rattles on the door pads, dash or other plastic components. Doors when closed do not make the noise of thin metal as in other Japanese cars.

At high speeds, you can hear only one sound and that is of Bridgestone Tyres munching miles.

Exterior

Not the best onlooker of the lot, however does the job well. Improved front is the best way to look the car at.

Interiors

Interiors have been spruced up from the last model from Dull Grey to Beige/Black and make the car look nice. Black has been intelligently placed on the edges so as to avoid reflection.

Centre mounted console looks neat, rather than odd. It gives you a clear view of the road ahead. With seat height adjustment, it makes you feel as if you are sitting in a mini-SUV.

3 mid-sized adults on the rear seat are never a problem in the Vista.

Pros:

Some features have been neatly packaged:

1. Engine will not start till the time the clutch is not fully pressed. People with small kids can understand that it’s a blessing in disguise. My 2 yr old son keeps on turning the key to the ignition position and there’s no worry. In my entire Rajasthan trip, there were many who said, bhai sahab, baccha chaabi ghumma raha hai. I could only smile and said “He is trying to learn driving from now itself”. However, none at the valets are able to start the car.

2. How many times do you see a pen holder in the glove compartment?

3. Light on the IC and the music system can be brightened or dimmed as per our taste.

4. Bluetooth takes 2 seconds to detect my phone and automatically takes calls on the speaker. You can even adjust the volume of the call on the music system. You can even adjust the volume of mute when the call is on.

5. The cabin lights automatically come on when you unlock the car.

6. The anti-locking system on the car is another piece of intelligent thinking. The doors only unlock when you take out the keys from the ignition slot, and not when the engine is switched off. Why is it a boon? You don’t have to bother about security when you stop the car at signals.

7. The doors auto-lock at when the car crosses 10km/hr and the seat belt not worn buzzer goes off at the same time.

8. When it’s raining and you have the wipers on, if at all you plan to reverse, the rear wipers would come up automatically. This goes on till the gear is in reverse slot.

9. The wiper has 5 speeds while on intermittent use. This is over and above the Continuous and Fast Continuous settings.

10. If your Phone/USB has a virus, the music system will keep on restarting. I came to know this as once one USB worked whereas the other did not. Cleaned the USB which did not work and then no issue came up. Same with the phone when in AUX mode. Moreover the stock Blaupunkt is pretty decent for normal audio listeners. Don’t expect Harmon Kardon quality. However, I have not felt the need to upgrade at all.

11. The under seat tray on the passenger side takes in three 1 litre bottles of water.

Cons:

Some features that can be improved:

1. Wider ORVM. Decent for highways, however find it a tad bit small for city driving.

2. Manza gets the on-board mileage meter. The same can be incorporated in the Vista.

3. Bigger fuel tank. It’s currently 37 litres in size. For highways, with a mileage of 17-18/lt, you ought to refill at every 500 kms.

4. Higher decibel horn.

Tyres

After completing 15,00kms on the Bridgestone B250, feel that they are best suited to Vista and Manza when compared to the Goodyear ones. Not a single puncture till date. Have started filling Nitrogen for last 2 months.

Tyres Performance

• Road-noise is pronounced.
• Road grip is excellent even during rains or broken tarmac.

Brakes/ABS

Simply Excellent! This is one area the Vista Rocks. Zero drag at times when you simply have to brake hard.

Air-Conditioning:

Have heard reports that this was a concern in the older gen Vista, however except summers, always keep the temperature setting to 70% cooling with varying fan speed.

Mileage

City FE has been a consistent @ 15 kmpl right from day 1. Highway FE ranges from 17 kmpl -18.5 kmpl. Well never driven consistently @ 80 to get a mileage of 19+

Just about everything else

Stock headlamps have a well spread throw. During the recent trip, I saw truck drivers putting on dim when I put on the high beam. You actually have 4 lights on.

Ground Clearance is at 165 which is decent. However with a larger wheel base, you sometimes need to slow on bigger humps.

Verdict

Having bought the Vista on a quick note and getting the Swift cancelled, I am really happy with my decision and hope to enjoy this car atleast for another 2 years.


FUEGO might go in for a RD box after its bigger sibling (Toothless – Motomaverick) gives more feedback.


Note: The format has been selected from the detailed report of Cruze (30,000 kms) of Mobike008.

Just read that Vista has been nominated as the European Car of the Year 2013. Proud to hear that.

[gauravdgr8]

During a weekend drive to Alampur, which is located 470 kms (return trip) from Hyderabad, the Vista returned a phenomenal mileage of 20.3 km/lt.

This was acheived with:

• 100% ac usage
• a consistent speed of 90 km/hr (with the rev counter constantly sticking to 2k) for 90% of the trip
• Speed in excess of 100 (actually constant 140) was touched only once for a stretch of 35-40 kms

This has by far been the best mileage achieved in the last 9 months of ownership.

[Maverick5490]

Originally Posted by gauravdgr8

15,000 kms Vista Detailed Report

As promised, here is my take on the Vista after it has completed 15,000kms.


Just read that Vista has been nominated as the European Car of the Year 2013. Proud to hear that.

Hi Gaurav,

I agree with the points mentioned by you completely . Mine has done 17,2xx kms and completes one year on 1st November, and all this in city driving and a couple of 300 kms trip to and fro. No rattles, no squeaks, 3 visits to the Service centre for the 3 services and thats it.

Now have to take some time for a good grooming session as the rains have really messed up the exteriors.

Upgrades planned are: Some good alloys, retaining tyres, Good art leather seat covers, as the fabric although great is getting difficult to maintian.

Then maybe the speakers, but as you mentioned, it is a decent system and I do enjoy the clarity of the music. So maybe if the need arises.

Cheers!

[bblost]

Originally Posted by gauravdgr8

During a weekend drive to Alampur, which is located 470 kms (return trip) from Hyderabad, the Vista returned a phenomenal mileage of 20.3 km/lt.

Have you ever felt that a couple of extra horses under the hood would be be better.
Asking in the context of the about to be released 90 hp qjd.

[gauravdgr8]

Originally Posted by bblost

Have you ever felt that a couple of extra horses under the hood would be be better.
Asking in the context of the about to be released 90 hp qjd.

Imran, additional power is always welcome, however power on the Vista is apt. Crusing on the highways, there is always enough power even at speeds of 100 to shoot to 130-140.

What can improve is the low end torque for city driving and the turbo spool which currently kicks in at 1750rpm, if it could at 1500rpm.

The QJD with 90 hp would be a highway rocket with improved city dynamics as its torque is at 210 vs 190 on the Vista.

[motomaverick]

Originally Posted by gauravdgr8

Imran, additional power is always welcome, however power on the Vista is apt. Crusing on the highways, there is always enough power even at speeds of 100 to shoot to 130-140.

What can improve is the low end torque for city driving and the turbo spool which currently kicks in at 1750rpm, if it could at 1500rpm.

The QJD with 90 hp would be a highway rocket with improved city dynamics as its torque is at 210 vs 190 on the Vista.

If you want more you can just plug in a tuning chip . Heard Racedynamics is coming out with a dual mode Dieseltronic chip, which should be much better than the current single mode one.

[gauravdgr8]

It's been a long time and Fuego has been running tirelessly without any complains.

A small trip to hometown is planned in early Jan before which it will see the 20k service. The engine has settled and gives a constant mileage of 16 in the city.

Asking gurus about suspension. There is a ladakh trip planned in late Aug'13 so thought of upgrading the suspension to something stiffer. Any suggestions? Bilstein is unavailable for Tata vehicles.

[gauravdgr8]

The Fuego goes in for the 20k service tomorrow.

Following are the things that are needed as per the manual:

1. Engine Oil Change : As always synthetic
2. Oil Filter Change
3. Air Filter Cleaning
4. Brake Pads cleaning
5. Rotate Tyres (will be done outside)
6. AC Filter cleaning

Somethings that are apart from the regular service:

1. LORVM broken : Needs to be changed. It's an electrical one - Was run over by a Bull.
Cost: 1274 + 350 (Paint)

2. FRH Suspension went over a deep pothole at high speed couple of days back and has started squeaking when going over a hump. Think it needs a replacement.

Other than that the car is ready for another 10k road trip. Let's see how tomorrow turns out to be.

[Maverick5490]

Originally Posted by gauravdgr8

The Fuego goes in for the 20k service tomorrow.

Following are the things that are needed as per the manual:

1. Engine Oil Change : As always synthetic
2. Oil Filter Change
3. Air Filter Cleaning
4. Brake Pads cleaning
5. Rotate Tyres (will be done outside)
6. AC Filter cleaning

Somethings that are apart from the regular service:

1. LORVM broken : Needs to be changed. It's an electrical one - Was run over by a Bull.
Cost: 1274 + 350 (Paint)

2. FRH Suspension went over a deep pothole at high speed couple of days back and has started squeaking when going over a hump. Think it needs a replacement.

Other than that the car is ready for another 10k road trip. Let's see how tomorrow turns out to be.

Hey Buddy,

Got my 20k service done last week. Even I use synthetic oil only, apart from that, the fuel filter change was mandatory for 2.2k and recommended was brake cleaning which I did not opt for as was not really needed.

Got the airfilter replaced, based on my request. I prefer doing the wheel alignment and balancing by specialised outlets, so again did not opt from the delaer.

Got the service done with me by the car and overall took around 3 hrs including washing. Bill was around 7.5k, and overall a good experince at George Auto Thane.

[gauravdgr8]

Originally Posted by Maverick5490

Hey Buddy,

Bill was around 7.5k, and overall a good experince at George Auto Thane.

This is the overall estimate given by Concorde:

Synthetic Oil : Rs: 3800 with tax
Oil Filter: Rs: 2200 with tax
Ail Filter : Rs: 330 with tax

Are these inline with your bill.

How is your car performing. Any suspension issues coz there is some bush noise coming from the front suspension and the SA said it's the bush and not the suspension which is bad. Other than that my car is going super smooth without any issues.