[skyfire2892]

Originally Posted by shwetanshu

My car got little scratched on left side of the front bumper. Will the servicing guys be willing to do some little touch up if i m ready to pay?

Originally Posted by amazingGuru67

Its not about willing to do the touch up or not Shwetanshu...
If you are ready to pay, then you have to demand them.
This is one of the problems in India.

I had few dents on my Amaze. The touch up was done for free.
They put some white paint on the area. It's visible only if you look closely. I didn't go for complete finish(though I don't know what it would cost) as rickshawalas tend to hit cars in Delhi regularly.

[sgiitk]

Originally Posted by shwetanshu

My car got little scratched on left side of the front bumper. Will the servicing guys be willing to do some little touch up if i m ready to pay?

Yes, they charge about Rs.2500-3000 per panel if not an insurance job!

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by shwetanshu

My car got little scratched on left side of the front bumper. Will the servicing guys be willing to do some little touch up if i m ready to pay?

Touch up ideally should be free. That would be visible if you check close.

Originally Posted by sgiitk

Yes, they charge about Rs.2500-3000 per panel if not an insurance job!

You should be talking about a repaint right? But the quote sounds too less to me. Swift panels are charged at 3.5K for each panel when I enquired last time.

[pahwa]

Originally Posted by skyfire2892

I've found some accessories for interior, need your word on them!

Do check the photos in the link
Carbon fibre sticker
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-...393809200.html

Decorative thread
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-5...098845231.html

They are quite cheap.
So how'll they look on Amaze?

Thanks! The decorative thread looks good. Have ordered one in silver color for my Duster.

[skyfire2892]

Originally Posted by pahwa

Thanks! The decorative thread looks good. Have ordered one in silver color for my Duster.

I've ordered both. I don't exactly know what to do with carbon fiber vinyl but I'll try it on alloys!

[sgiitk]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

You should be talking about a repaint right? But the quote sounds too less to me. Swift panels are charged at 3.5K for each panel when I enquired last time.

I just got three panels on my Brio redone - end October. Also, I have found Honda rates lower than Hyundai, for sure. Civic comes to about 4k per panel.

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

I just got three panels on my Brio redone - end October. Also, I have found Honda rates lower than Hyundai, for sure. Civic comes to about 4k per panel.

I remember my friend getting his Brio bumper repainted for Rs. 5000/- +. Hence I was surprised about the low cost you mentioned.

[amitk26]

How this flat curve is an advantage except under 1800 RPM ?
Total torque delivered at every point beyond 1800 RPM is less.

Flat torque curve was touted as advantage compared to inverted U with small peak of classic diesel engines but here you are comparing against something which has constantly rising torque with RPM which is awesome.

I find Innova's lack of torque also a problem when compared to more torquey alternatives in that segment.

Now please don't flame me I am Amaze owner albeit petrol one with punny torque but for scenarios requiring torque I don't drive Amaze.

Originally Posted by AutoIndian

Today while watching the Earth Dreams 1.5L i-Dtec video I could take a screen grab of the Power & Torque Vs RPM curve. Look how flat is the peak torque of 200 Nm over the wide rpm range (from 1500 rpm to 3500 rpm). I guess no other car except Innova comes close. Innova has the same peak torque of 200 Nm over an rpm range from 1400 to 3400. No doubt Amaze has excellent driveability. However the Amaze weighs a lot less (more than 500 kilos) as compared to Innova.

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[skyfire2892]

Originally Posted by amitk26

How this flat curve is an advantage except under 1800 RPM ?
Total torque delivered at every point beyond 1800 RPM is less.

Flat torque curve was touted as advantage compared to inverted U with small peak of classic diesel engines but here you are comparing against something which has constantly rising torque with RPM which is awesome.

I find Innova's lack of torque also a problem when compared to more torquey alternatives in that segment.

Now please don't flame me I am Amaze owner albeit petrol one with punny torque but for scenarios requiring torque I don't drive Amaze.

It's 1500 RPM by the graph. The rating is 200Nm@1750 rpm.
Well mostly other diesel's give this torque after 2000 mark. I think the good point is here.
At idle the rpm is at 900 mark and you are getting 200 Nm after 1500, a mark which you'll cross in no time.
Flat torque will give good punch when speed/rpms are low and the car will move fast. Many may find it repulsive as i've seen Amaze's owner saying car is moving too fast in 2nd gear. As with this case, many may like linear torque which increases with rpm.
But personally i like the torque delivery.
One more thing, most of the Amaze users drive in 1500-2500 rpm range so again you are always getting the good amount of torque.
I think it would be personal choice depending on your driving.

[sunilg33]

+1 to what skyfire has to say.
A flat torque curve also helps us in getting good fuel efficiency. In engines with narrow peak torque while overtaking we often accelerate to get into the 2k+ range so that overtaking is easy. In the process there is a lot of fuel burnt to just reach the peak torque range.
I regret my switch to Ecosport from Amaze in the second gear. Ecosport TDCI wakes up only after 2k+ whereas Amaze was pulling like a train at 1700+ RPM. The difference of early torque is huge IMO.

[amalji]

Originally Posted by amitk26

How this flat curve is an advantage except under 1800 RPM ?

It improves drivability multiple folds. At any gear, when you need to overtake, just press the pedal and shoot ahead. That's it. The lack of turbo lag on the Amaze makes it such a joy to drive.

Originally Posted by amitk26

Total torque delivered at every point beyond 1800 RPM is less.

To which car are you comparing to ? Are you just comparing it with the peak torque ( in which case, it doesn't make sense because even after 1800, the torque delivery is very good in the Amaze. )

Originally Posted by amitk26

Flat torque curve was touted as advantage compared to inverted U with small peak of classic diesel engines but here you are comparing against something which has constantly rising torque with RPM which is awesome.

Innova doesn't have a constantly rising torque. It stays flat. And the torque / ton of the Amaze should be superior to that of the Innova in most rpms.

Originally Posted by amitk26

Now please don't flame me I am Amaze owner albeit petrol one with punny torque but for scenarios requiring torque I don't drive Amaze.

Amaze Diesel is torquey right from the word - 'Go'

[sgiitk]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

I remember my friend getting his Brio bumper repainted for Rs. 5000/- +. Hence I was surprised about the low cost you mentioned.

Was it an insurance job? Then 2x at least. Also, bumpers need some special treatment (flexible!), I remember Hyundai quoting about 7k for the Accent bumper around 2008 or 2009.

[amitk26]

Originally Posted by amalji

It improves drivability multiple folds. At any gear, when you need to overtake, just press the pedal and shoot ahead. That's it. The lack of turbo lag on the Amaze makes it such a joy to drive.
To which car are you comparing to ? Are you just comparing it with the peak torque ( in which case, it doesn't make sense because even after 1800, the torque delivery is very good in the Amaze. )

I am just comparing the 2 torque curves posted below in this thread.
One of Amaze in red and Earth Dreams 1.5L i-Dtec in blue.

Now every point above approx 1800 RPM blue line is much above red line.
This means more torque at same point, Amaze torque delivery is better below 1800 RPM that is at the time of start but contrary to the underlined portion in your post it falls way behind above it

For example at 2500 RPM you get 50NM more and at 3000 RPM you get 100NM more which is very significant for a lightweight sedan.

Originally Posted by amalji

Innova doesn't have a constantly rising torque. It stays flat. And the torque / ton of the Amaze should be superior to that of the Innova in most rpms.

I said Innova has constantly rising torque . Some one prior to my post said Amaze torque is flat like Innova and I said in that context is Innova is not the best when it comes to torque in that price bracket ( 10 L to 16 Lakhs)

People like it for car like handling of Innova but not even die hard fan of Innova say engine has grunt.

Originally Posted by amalji

Amaze Diesel is torquey right from the word - 'Go'

Very subjective it gives you it's peak torque of 200NM early but that peak is lot less then peak of engine from competition.

[amalji]

Originally Posted by amitk26

I am just comparing the 2 torque curves posted below in this thread.
One of Amaze in red and Earth Dreams 1.5L i-Dtec in blue.

I only see one graph here ( posted by Autoindian ) - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...que-vs-rpm.jpg

On the above mentioned graph, blue line represents torque and red line the power. And Amaze is equipped with Earth Dreams 1.5 L i-Dtec. So, I'm not sure how you show both of them as different.

Or am I missing something here ?

Originally Posted by amitk26

I said Innova has constantly rising torque . Some one prior to my post said Amaze torque is flat like Innova and I said in that context is Innova is not the best when it comes to torque in that price bracket ( 10 L to 16 Lakhs)
People like it for car like handling of Innova but not even die hard fan of Innova say engine has grunt.

Again, Innova doesn't have constantly rising torque. It stays flat all the way from 1400 to 3400 rpms.

A flat torque curve aids luggability and predictable acceleration. ie, you don't need to revv it hard to pull on an incline when it's fully loaded. Similarly, the people inside are comfortable due to smooth acceleration. A good design for an MUV, I would say.

Originally Posted by amitk26

Very subjective it gives you it's peak torque of 200NM early but that peak is lot less then peak of engine from competition.

That peak is not less than the competition at all.

Dzire - 190 Nm
Etios - 170 Nm
Verito - 160 Nm
Fiesta Classic - 160 Nm

So, I'm not sure, how that's low !

[skyfire2892]

Originally Posted by amitk26

I am just comparing the 2 torque curves posted below in this thread.
One of Amaze in red and Earth Dreams 1.5L i-Dtec in blue.

Very subjective it gives you it's peak torque of 200NM early but that peak is lot less then peak of engine from competition.

1. The red line is of Power, not torque.
2. Most MJD powered cars give almost same torque. Unless you are talking about cars a segment above.